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« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2018, 03:19:58 PM »

Did they agree to return missing soldiers bodies from the war? I thought they mentioned it but wasn't to sure on the details.

With all the lefts screeching about brutal dictator and such, pretty sure it wasn't that long ago when President Trump was being more threatening that the media was basically saying NK deserved to be able to make missiles in order to defend itself.
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« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2018, 04:03:29 PM »



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« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2018, 05:16:35 PM »

I've seen it said that the rightists were angry when Obama went to Cuba, why happy with trump meeting dprk? Oh, left see, leftists fellating leftists vs. ending the oldest war running and stopping nuclear proliferation, maybe ending a deal ades old deployment and hopefully improving the lives of millions. Yep, same exact thing.
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« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2018, 06:22:25 PM »

Up on CNN's FaceBook page. 
https://www.facebook.com/cnn/videos/10158436867051509/?hc_ref=ART4jAo6VRIAeeQQw2eCn1gITTLUjRd8WWjnu96UrfKi3TiFhEe6aKBNse-EZZnQjRo
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« Reply #29 on: June 13, 2018, 04:02:06 AM »

Did they agree to return missing soldiers bodies from the war? I thought they mentioned it but wasn't to sure on the details.

I've seen it mentioned but without much details. Not sure where the million dollar price tag comes from either:
the return of American remains from the Korean War (by the way, we pay the North Koreans about $1 million for each set of remains, so this isnĺt quite the ôgoodwillö gesture itĺs being made out to be).
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« Reply #30 on: June 13, 2018, 05:24:24 AM »


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« Reply #31 on: June 13, 2018, 05:28:02 AM »

I've seen it mentioned but without much details. Not sure where the million dollar price tag comes from either:

Holy crap. I'd never seen that number before.
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« Reply #32 on: June 13, 2018, 06:06:17 AM »

This is the first time I've heard Trump allude to his tweets and rhetoric being, as many of us have wondered, a planned strategy versus 100% "the Trump personality". If true, that certainly makes me feel a little better about his tweets, etc. Especially as I'm one of the people who complains about his tweets.

Maybe there is a strategy behind this crap, but it still doesn't seem like it:

Before taking office people were assuming that we were going to War with North Korea. President Obama said that North Korea was our biggest and most dangerous problem. No longer - sleep well tonight!
Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office. There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea. Meeting with Kim Jong Un was an interesting and very positive experience. North Korea has great potential for the future!

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« Reply #33 on: June 13, 2018, 06:26:36 AM »

He's playing nice.  We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  There are other things to be done (End the war, repatriate MIA from the war, trade, better relations etc.)  We won't get those by pounding them.   We've used the stick (sanctions), now it's time to use the carrot.
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« Reply #34 on: June 13, 2018, 06:31:06 AM »

He's playing nice.  We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  There are other things to be done (End the war, repatriate MIA from the war, trade, better relations etc.)  We won't get those by pounding them.   We've used the stick (sanctions), now it's time to use the carrot.
But I think part of Trump's strategy is to remind them we can pound them and make them think he is willing to do it. 
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« Reply #35 on: June 13, 2018, 06:34:33 AM »

I've seen it said that the rightists were angry when Obama went to Cuba, why happy with trump meeting dprk? Oh, left see, leftists fellating leftists vs. ending the oldest war running and stopping nuclear proliferation, maybe ending a deal ades old deployment and hopefully improving the lives of millions. Yep, same exact thing.
If the media was asking questions like that and doing actual analysis, this might have already been discussed. 

The big difference to me is that what Obama did was essentially just like the Iran deal.  He made grand gestures and lifted restrictions, got nothing in return, and all seemingly just so he could grandstand and claim a foreign policy victory.  I don't think he paid Cuba a bunch of money as far as I know.  The jury is still out on how this NK stuff will end in the long term.  This meeting was just the start (I hope). 
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« Reply #36 on: June 13, 2018, 06:42:17 AM »

 We got a huge concession from the Norks to dismantle their nuke program.  

Oh is that done already? All taken care of? I didn't realize that. Bravo then!  rolleyes
Sorry, but we've been here before. We've been promised this (and even more!) before and it doesn't happen.
Trump should maybe wait more than a day before taking his victory lap.

the only new variable on the American side is Trumpĺs personal charisma, his unseemly praise of a murderer, and the whole spectacle of the summit. On the North Korean side, Kim Jong-un is a somewhat new figure, but thereĺs scant reason to believe he wants to take up Trumpĺs suggestion and trade his nukes for beachside condos on the North Korean coast. Kim left Singapore with many wins; Americaĺs remain to be realized.
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« Reply #37 on: June 13, 2018, 07:21:47 AM »

Oh is that done already? All taken care of? I didn't realize that. Bravo then!  rolleyes
Sorry, but we've been here before. We've been promised this (and even more!) before and it doesn't happen.
Trump should maybe wait more than a day before taking his victory lap.


Point 3 in the joint statement. 

Point 4 covers the POW/MIA issue.

And yes, it's just a start, but it lays out the goals of what is to be accomplished.


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Joint Statement of President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea at the Singapore Summit
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) held a first, historic summit in Singapore on June 12, 2018.
President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un conducted a comprehensive, in-depth and sincere exchange of opinions on the issues related to the establishment of new US-DPRK relations and the building of a lasting and robust peace regime on the Korean Peninsula. President Trump committed to provide security guarantees to the DPRK, and Chairman Kim Jong Un reaffirmed his firm and unwavering commitment to complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.
Convinced that the establishment of new US-DPRK relations will contribute to the peace and prosperity of the Korean Peninsula and of the world, and recognizing that mutual confidence building can promote the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un state the following:

    1. The United States and the DPRK commit to establish new US-DPRK relations in accordance with the desire of the peoples of the two countries for peace and prosperity.
    2.  The United States and DPRK will join their efforts to build a lasting and stable peace regime on the Korean Peninsula.
    3.  Reaffirming the April 27, 2018 Panmunjom Declaration, the DPRK commits to work toward complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula
    4.  The United States and the DPRK commit to recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.

Having acknowledged that the US-DPRK summit -- the first in history -- was an epochal event of great significance in overcoming decades of tensions and hostilities between the two countries and for the opening up of a new future, President Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un commit to implement the stipulations in the joint statement fully and expeditiously. The United States and the DPRK commit to hold follow-on negotiations, led by the US Secretary of State, Mike Pompeo, and a relevant high-level DPRK official, at the earliest possible date, to implement the outcomes of the US-DPRK summit.
President Donald J. Trump of the United States of America and Chairman Kim Jong Un of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea have committed to cooperate for the development of new US-DPRK relations and for the promotion of peace, prosperity, and the security of the Korean Peninsula and of the world.
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« Reply #38 on: June 13, 2018, 07:27:45 AM »

Trump is no different than previous presidents who have taken their victory lap after "agreements" with the Norks. The only difference is that with the twitter account it's a lot more in your face.

One of the people I know through a mutual friend is Pentagon policy analyst and she's spent years working on negotiating teams on various subjects in various locations.

She's really down on the whole summit thing, and keeps decrying how it's going to be a failure. In discussing (debating) this with her it's become painfully obvious that she's somehow viewing the repeated diplomatic/policy/treaty negotiation failures of the past 60 years as successes, and thinks we should continue on along the same track.

She's seeing only failure in the leader-to-leader approach, to which I replied SO FREAKING WHAT? If it fails, it fails and joins the huge list of failures brokered by negotiators over the decades.

She refuses to see any potential upside, which helps cement my belief that no matter what comes out of this process, even if it results in continued meetings, extended negotiation, and tangible results, the left (and she is DEFINITELY the left) will never admit that it was anything other than a failure.

As I flat out ask her... Given the abject history of failures of your kind, what's the problem with trying a new approach?

I'm still waiting for a response to that question.
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« Reply #39 on: June 13, 2018, 07:35:01 AM »

As I flat out ask her... Given the abject history of failures of your kind, what's the problem with trying a new approach?

I'm still waiting for a response to that question.

I imagine the answer would be Trump.
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« Reply #40 on: June 13, 2018, 08:36:32 AM »

I imagine the answer would be Trump.


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« Reply #41 on: June 13, 2018, 08:53:38 AM »

I imagine the answer would be Trump.

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« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2018, 08:58:39 AM »

I imagine the answer would be Trump.

 

Took me half a cup of coffee before I got it, though. I've got to quit reading this site before I'm fully awake.

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« Reply #43 on: June 13, 2018, 09:04:15 AM »

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« Reply #44 on: June 13, 2018, 09:50:43 AM »

ITĺS HAPPENING! Guess who just got nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize
https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/06/13/its-happening-guess-who-just-got-nominated-for-a-nobel-peace-prize/
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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2018, 10:55:01 AM »

I'm waiting for Trump to turn his attention to the Israel/Palestinian problem.  Although since it doesn't impact the US, I'm not holding my breath.
We've had 50 years of "The Peace Process", let's see what he can do there.*


* I think cutting off all aid the Palestinians would be a good starting point.  
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2018, 10:55:29 AM »


Mine is an evil laugh.
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« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2018, 12:01:40 PM »

Oh yes please let it happen.
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2018, 12:11:19 PM »

I'm waiting for Trump to turn his attention to the Israel/Palestinian problem.  Although since it doesn't impact the US, I'm not holding my breath.
We've had 50 years of "The Peace Process", let's see what he can do there.*


* I think cutting off all aid the Palestinians would be a good starting point.  
IMO, this is one of those cases where the solution is almost on the order of common sense.  Just no one has the guts to actually do it and face the anti-Israel media without apology. 
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« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2018, 12:30:01 PM »

IMO, this is one of those cases where the solution is almost on the order of common sense.  Just no one has the guts to actually do it and face the anti-Israel media without apology. 


Well, he did just move our embassy to Jerusalem.
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