Author Topic: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump  (Read 758 times)

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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2018, 09:42:17 AM »
Of note to me is that they are measuring improper use of prescribed opioids vs illegal dealings in opioids. The researchers themselves say they have no way of measuring the opioid black market. Should we really believe Chicago or Portland or Seattle have less of a drug problem than BFE Louisiana?

No doubt there are people in poorer areas with limited medical facilities that "need their scrips". But then plenty of people in Beverly Hills "need their anxiety/stress/life-coping prescriptions" (and pay cash for them) as well. Not to mention "party favors". I think either can be looked at as "hopeless, desperate people".

I can't really see any viable correlation in this research. Not to mention, why is JAMA making political statements, especially given lack of data? This is kind of like saying, "There is a correlation between over-prescribed opioids and places that have hurricanes." Also, they are creating a bias by only using Medicare data. They are practically targeting poor, rural populations.
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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2018, 11:15:19 AM »
In thinking about how the opioid use is a proxy for various socioeconomic factors, I wonder if you would see similar correlation for Social Security disability and voting patterns. 
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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2018, 11:18:36 AM »
Hey, we ALL KNOW that CORRELATION IS CAUSATION ....... right? ;/ :facepalm:
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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2018, 01:00:10 PM »
Remember what Marl Twain said (or wrote): "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

If you cherry pick the data well enough, you can gin up alleged statistics to support any hypothesis you want to promote.
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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2018, 06:46:29 PM »
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2018/06/23/622692550/analysis-finds-geographic-overlap-in-opioid-use-and-trump-support-in-2016?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20180623

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2685627

The opioid use seems to be a proxy for socioeconomic factors such as rural location, unemployment, median income, education level and the like.



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OH!  I just noticed this:

www.npr.org

and

https://jamanetwork

Do I detect a "proxy" relationship between those and the general hyperliberal establishment?

Nah.

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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2018, 09:05:17 PM »
Unless I missed it the story left out how ACA played a huge role in the opioids with the here is three months worth for two bucks crap.

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Re: Opioid use high in counties that voted for President Trump
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2018, 05:46:31 PM »
^ There !  That confirms the thesis, which is that Trump voters are all lowlifes.

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