Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.

[makattak]

Let's see.

First it was Kavanaugh and one other guy.

Then it was four guys.

Then it was four guys and another girl.

She can't recall when it happened (not even narrow it down to what YEAR it happened).

She doesn't know where (Address or even who's house is allegedly occurred at.)

Yeah, this is TOTALLY a legitimate accusation.

BUT, it's a serious allegation (against a Republican) so we have to take into account the seriousness of the crime! (when it's about a Republican.)

When it's a Democrat, she's a trailer-park lying whore who lies.

[Perd Hapley]

To quote me, from elsewhere on these nets:

It’s possible someone assaulted Ms. Ford. It may even have been Judge Kavanaugh. For all we know, he may have raped her, sang her some show tunes, and left her, stark naked, in a public park.

But we have no business believing Kavanaugh did any of this. The evidence is thin, and the partisanship is thicker than Googly-eyes Cortez.

[Angel Eyes]

[MikeB]

Ok. To be perfectly honest at this point I’m actually starting to think if you make allegations like this and offer no proof/evidence you should be legally liable. I get that women especially in the past and even now may feel uncomfortable or afraid to come forward or report such things, but at the same time we can’t have people making accusations against people with no proof about these kinds of things either.

 It’s one thing to report in a timely manner and not have enough evidence to support a conviction in court, it’s anothe to do this 30+ years after the fact when there is no way to know one way or another what may or may not have happened or indeed if the whole thing is made up, mistaken identity, etc. and ruin someone’s reputation. Chances are that if he was really a sexual predator we would already have heard from many other women as has happened with others like Cosby, Weinstein, etc.

[Ben]

Well, now there's this:

Feinstein, who has vouched for Ford's credibility, also admitted she could not verify that Ford's allegations were entirely true.

Ford and her attorney have apparently gone to ground, which regarding the MSM is understandable, however they are apparently also ignoring the Senate, who are attempting to get them to come in to testify.

[dogmush]

I'd like to think that victimized women can come forward and seek justice whenever they find the courage.  I think it's important to hold people who abuse others accountable.

I'm more than a little suspicious because it's only this one lady from 35 years ago.   My experience with men that go hands on with women is that if they get away with it, they don't stop.

I also have a little voice in the back of my head every time I read a story like this that whispers: "Duke Lacrosse Team"

[grampster]

OK, I'm going to go out on a rant limb here.  The women's lib/feminist movement in the US has been going on now for how many years?  Well the modern version of it gained steam around 1968.  That's 50 years ago.  Well before the alleged accusation occurred.  Many women have been very loudly exclaiming that women are equal in all ways as men and such should be on equal footing in all ways.  Waiting 30 or 40 years to report this alleged attack is inexcusable and goes against the dogma of the feminist movement.  This woman is reported to be a hard core feminist as is her attorney.  Those backing her are of the same ilk.  So equality only counts when one wants it to count, but then fall back on the "poor, weak female" who is afraid to report being molested?  Did she not have a concerned, loving father she could confide in?  Or was she raised in a one parent family who dealt her out to a private girl's school because she was baggage to the Yuppie generation?  Inquiring minds want to know.

In fact, I'll go further out on the limb.  In my view the feminist movement in some ways has made for a coarsening of our culture, demeaned women (as well as men) in many ways, and has not had much in the way of positive outcomes...other than probably opening up the workplace.  Even that is questionable when it comes to women being convinced that having a career to be fulfilled  has turned into a tragic myth.  It led to the inflation in the 70's  and beyond (law of supply and demand) as well as the breakdown of the family unit which has been incredibly negative.  I could say more but won't.  Being 75 years old and paying attention while moving down the road of life can be incredibly illuminating and contra to the "conventional wisdom".
End of rant.

[Ron]

Feminism strikes me as tribal warfare.

They didn’t and don’t want equality under the old rules.

They want to rule society by setting up new rules that favor womens concerns over men.

A lot of their goals have been met but they aren’t done yet.

It’s not a conspiracy, it’s human nature.

[Strings]

Ok. To be perfectly honest at this point I’m actually starting to think if you make allegations like this and offer no proof/evidence you should be legally liable. I get that women especially in the past and even now may feel uncomfortable or afraid to come forward or report such things, but at the same time we can’t have people making accusations against people with no proof about these kinds of things either.

 It’s one thing to report in a timely manner and not have enough evidence to support a conviction in court, it’s anothe to do this 30+ years after the fact when there is no way to know one way or another what may or may not have happened or indeed if the whole thing is made up, mistaken identity, etc. and ruin someone’s reputation. Chances are that if he was really a sexual predator we would already have heard from many other women as has happened with others like Cosby, Weinstein, etc.

Thing is, the examples you cited, were women coming out against men with power/prestige/money. When this case supposedly happened, I doubt that Kavanaugh had those things to hide behind
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[Perd Hapley]

Thing is, the examples you cited, were women coming out against men with power/prestige/money. When this case supposedly happened, I doubt that Kavanaugh had those things to hide behind
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Strings, you unfortunate naif, he had white, cismale privilege.  

[Hawkmoon]

Well, now there's this:

Ford and her attorney have apparently gone to ground, which regarding the MSM is understandable, however they are apparently also ignoring the Senate, who are attempting to get them to come in to testify.

Because if she shows up to testify, that doesn't delay the confirmation vote until after the mid-term elections. And that's the plan -- delay, delay, delay.

She also claims that she shouldn't have to provide any proof of her accusation, that it's up to the FBI to do that. Well, first of all, the alleged "crime} isn't a federal offense, so it's not the FBI's job to investigate it. It was a state crime at the time it allegedly happened, but since the statute of limitations has long since expired he can't be prosecuted, so why should any public resources be expended on investigating an incident that absolutely, positively cannot be proven or disproven? If she didn't want to report it at the time, then tough nougies.

And I still want to know why she didn't want to tell her parents. That doesn't make sense.

[sumpnz]

Because if she shows up to testify, that doesn't delay the confirmation vote until after the mid-term elections. And that's the plan -- delay, delay, delay.

She also claims that she shouldn't have to provide any proof of her accusation, that it's up to the FBI to do that. Well, first of all, the alleged "crime} isn't a federal offense, so it's not the FBI's job to investigate it. It was a state crime at the time it allegedly happened, but since the statute of limitations has long since expired he can't be prosecuted, so why should any public resources be expended on investigating an incident that absolutely, positively cannot be proven or disproven? If she didn't want to report it at the time, then tough nougies.

And I still want to know why she didn't want to tell her parents. That doesn't make sense.

Quite literally every woman on my wife's maternal side has been sexually abused (everything from groping to systemic rape).  When my wife's aunt told her mom that the step-dad had molested her the mom blamed the her for her own abuse.  When my wife was molested by her grandfather she told her aunt (her dad's sister, so the daughter of the molester).  Her aunt refused to tell anyone else, let alone call the cops, and just tried to bury it.  When another of my wife's aunts found out her daughters had been raped by her husband she told them to "just get over it" and never even tried to sympathize with them. 

Now, I'm not saying Ms Ford's parents were like that.  But I can well understand why a 15 year old girl might be reticent to tell her parents about being assaulted.

All that said, I still have very serious doubts that Ms Ford was assaulted as described by Kavanaugh.  She might well have been assaulted in that manner by someone else.  She might be fabricating the whole story.  At the end of the day we will never know with anything like certainty what the truth is.

And so, Kavanaugh should be confirmed immediately after the hearing on Monday.  And if there was any real justice in this world, all the D's that participated in this whole sordid mess would be tarred, feathered, and run out town on a rail.

[Scout26]

There's nothing to investigate.  She says [something] happened.  Kavanaugh and the other "boy" says it didn't.  She can't provide a date, nor location, nor other potential witnesses.  Kavanaugh has not been accused of similar behavior by anyone else.  As pointed out, abusers are not one and done, they tend to be repeat/serial offenders.

If she refuses to testify, then we now it's fake.  Simply designed as a delaying tactic.  If she does, then it will be interesting. 

[Ben]

Interesting: A classmate of Ford's says this incident was talked about for days at school after it happened, yet Ford said no one knew about it until 2012.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/09/19/woman-claimed-in-now-deleted-tweet-to-have-gone-to-school-with-christine-blasey-ford-and-said-the-incident-was-spoken-about-for-days-in-school/

[RoadKingLarry]

Any day now the existence of an incriminating cell phone video will be announced.

[MechAg94]

Any day now the existence of an incriminating cell phone video will be announced.

[AmbulanceDriver]

I find it very interesting that now Ms. Ford is not willing to testify to the committee until *after* the FBI "investigates".  In my opinion, I'm thinking she doesn't want to say anything on the record that the FBI could later discredit/show false.  I also firmly believe that if this were allowed to happen, she would absolutely get a copy of the FBI report before its release so she could make sure that her story matches what the FBI found (if anything).

[Ron]

She is a liar and shouldn’t even have been given the opportunity to speak to congress.

If you want this insanity to stop then stop rewarding the insanity.

[grampster]

She is a liar and shouldn’t even have been given the opportunity to speak to congress.

If you want this insanity to stop then stop rewarding the insanity

But insanity is normal.  It's just another way of labeling people so they can be discriminated against.

[bedlamite]

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/09/18/feinstein-on-kavanaugh-accuser-i-dont-know-if-shes-being-truthful-n2520256

I Can't Say That Everything Is Truthful

That's all I really need to know.

[Hawkmoon]

Interesting: A classmate of Ford's says this incident was talked about for days at school after it happened, yet Ford said no one knew about it until 2012.

https://twitchy.com/gregp-3534/2018/09/19/woman-claimed-in-now-deleted-tweet-to-have-gone-to-school-with-christine-blasey-ford-and-said-the-incident-was-spoken-about-for-days-in-school/

Interesting, indeed. A couple of the comments seem to get it:

old and busted: nobody knew. we don't even know where or when it happened.

new hotness: everybody knew exactly what happened and we all talked about it.
7:36 AM - Sep 19, 2018

Who talked about it? Ms. Ford told the Washington Post she told nobody at the time. https://twitter.com/reinabori/status/1042048795788365824 …

[brimic]

Maybe Gorsuch was the other guy? Rumors are abound that she sent the same accusatory letter about Gorsuch to Feinstein...

https://theblacksphere.net/2018/09/did-kavanaugh-accuser-send-same-letter-about-gorsuch/

[230RN]

Any day now the existence of an incriminating cell phone video will be announced.

     

Pretty sharp there, RoadKingLarry.

[slingshot]

She can't remember important details.  Why should anyone believe that this even occurred.  I have serious doubts that this even happened involving young Brett Kavanaugh.  The Judiciary Committee has bent over backwards to get her full story in full to the committee....  she wants to wait until there is a FBI investigation.... but there was no crime and certainly not one that the FBI would be involved in normally even if the statute of limitations has not expired on the alleged crime.  I think Ford doesn't want to come before the Committee because she will be under oath.

[Perd Hapley]

Maybe Gorsuch was the other guy? Rumors are abound that she sent the same accusatory letter about Gorsuch to Feinstein...

https://theblacksphere.net/2018/09/did-kavanaugh-accuser-send-same-letter-about-gorsuch/

LOL  Now that sounds like something the FBI should look into.

I'll have to add "be accused of ancient sexual assault" to my list of conservative aspirations. Right up there with, "be accused of racism." They can't prove it, and you can never disprove it.