The illegal invader caravan thread

[RocketMan]

I don't hold out a lot of hope they will be stopped.  Didn't most of the folks in the last caravan finally make it into the country once all the hoopla had died down?

[Andiron]

Horde of literal invaders? 

Do we not have AC-130s anymore?

 

[Perd Hapley]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3698839/posts?page=1


Kamikaze...

See also the Spanish Armada.

[gunsmith]

I want them stopped by any means necessary.
I doubt that anything will be done.

[Firethorn]

I want them stopped by any means necessary.
I doubt that anything will be done.

I agree.  Turn a few of them back, news will get around, and they'll stop coming.  Australia has demonstrated that it can be done.

[Hawkmoon]

I agree.  Turn a few of them back, news will get around, and they'll stop coming.  Australia has demonstrated that it can be done.

Australia?

Who's been trying to walk to Australia?

[Scout26]

1.  Pick them up in buses at border.
2.  Take them to the nearest Airport.
3.  Load them onto planes (large chartered A/C in not enough USAF Transports)
4.  Fly them back to the airport in the capital city of their home country.
5.  Return to the US with empty aircraft.
6.  Repeat.
 

[Hawkmoon]

1.  Pick them up in buses at border.
2.  Take them to the nearest Airport.
3.  Load them onto planes (large chartered A/C in not enough USAF Transports)
4.  Fly them back to the airport in the capital city of their home country.
5.  Return to the US with empty aircraft.
6.  Repeat.
 

I still favor dropping them in CONEX boxes attached to cargo chutes. Less chance of the native country declining to take them back.

[RoadKingLarry]

And, for the confirmed gang members, drug dealers, previously deported, or other criminal persuasion we could forgo the parachutes and conex boxes.

I think it's gonna get ugly.

[Ron]

There is a process to apply for asylum and a process for legally entering the country.

All others should be turned away.

If some persist, refusing to follow our laws, then they should be arrested, jailed and deported once they have served their time.

Silly me, I forgot, I live in clown world where none of that happens even with the most anti illegal immigration President we’ve had in our lifetimes.

[MechAg94]

There is a process to apply for asylum and a process for legally entering the country.

All others should be turned away.

If some persist, refusing to follow our laws, then they should be arrested, jailed and deported once they have served their time.

Silly me, I forgot, I live in clown world where none of that happens even with the most anti illegal immigration President we’ve had in our lifetimes.

I think the border patrol has their hands tied with a lot of miscellaneous laws on immigration that allow these people to play the system.  Treating them as an invasion force may short circuit that but I don't know.  Laws need to be changed (with Congress involved) in order to make a real change.

[RoadKingLarry]

I don't know how much stock we can put in the source but if it's accurate the *expletive deleted*it is gonna get real.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/10/23/mexican-news-outlet-officials-say-14000-honduran-migrants-heading-to-u-s/

[Ben]

I think the border patrol has their hands tied with a lot of miscellaneous laws on immigration that allow these people get play the system.  Treating them as an invasion force may short circuit that but I don't know.  Laws need to be changed (with Congress involved) in order to make a real change.

Also the Border Patrol (through no fault of their own) are simply not capable of handling a mob this size. While I see Dogmush's point of, "don't bring the Army in unless you want us to kill and break stuff", the only way to handle a mob like this, that has already shown it will get violent, is with an overwhelming show of force.

They might not even need to do anything. Enough scary assets present might give the mob second thoughts.  Seems like less people would be hurt that way than with playing paddy cake with them.

[RoadKingLarry]

Tear gas, water cannons, rubber bullets...
I wonder if you could rig up a fire fighter air tanker to drop tank loads of pepper spray...
http://www.boldmethod.com/blog/lists/2016/03/19-aerial-firefighting-aircraft/

The old stand-byes of course can be employed...
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-8-most-painful-non-lethal-weapons-2015-10

[Ron]

Doesn’t the military have those non-lethal and less lethal tools to control mobs?

Securing our borders is whose responsibility?

Obviously Border Patrol and Homeland Security but at some point isn’t it the US military that bears the burden of securing the border?

This shouldn’t even be controversial.

[Hawkmoon]

They might not even need to do anything. Enough scary assets present might give the mob second thoughts.  Seems like less people would be hurt that way than with playing paddy cake with them.

They will need to hurt somebody, and likely a number of somebodies. There are too many young and dumb males in that caravan, and there has been too much precedent. They will assume that any assets on the border are there for show, and they WILL try to force their way through.

[Hawkmoon]

The old stand-byes of course can be employed...
https://www.businessinsider.com/the-8-most-painful-non-lethal-weapons-2015-10

Can't read -- paywall.

[Ben]

They will need to hurt somebody, and likely a number of somebodies. There are too many young and dumb males in that caravan, and there has been too much precedent. They will assume that any assets on the border are there for show, and they WILL try to force their way through.

I'm afraid you'll end up being right here. Up till now, everyone (Mexico), has made a show, then stepped aside when the mob got violent.

Honestly, I believe defensive violence will be the only way to stop them*, but the optics played out in the MSM are going to be terrible.

*By "them" I absolutely believe that there are hired elements in this group to cause trouble and keep the "sheep" in the mob going.

[BobR]

I would be lining the border with these for starters, or who knows, they may already be in place.

bob

[MechAg94]

I'm afraid you'll end up being right here. Up till now, everyone (Mexico), has made a show, then stepped aside when the mob got violent.

Honestly, I believe defensive violence will be the only way to stop them*, but the optics played out in the MSM are going to be terrible.

*By "them" I absolutely believe that there are hired elements in this group to cause trouble and keep the "sheep" in the mob going.

I am not sure how much we should fear the MSM and whatever interpretation they make.  At the least, I think letting fear of their reaction stop you from making the right decision the wrong way to go.  I think that sort of attitude is why people support Trump in the first place. 

That said, I don't know what options we have to stop them while they are still deep in Mexico and what has been done to find out who is paying for this.

[Pb]

I am sick of our country being transformed slowly transformed into a left wing $&^hole by immigration.

[Scout26]

Where's Black Jack Pershing when we need him ??

[Ron]

Trump needs to make this Mexico’s problem, before they get to the border.

[BobR]

Trump needs to make this Mexico’s problem, before they get to the border.

I think, but not sure, that was already on the table and Mexico folded like a cheap suit. 


bob

[Scout26]

3rd Cavalry is at Ft. Hood.  We'd have to bring in the 11th ACR from Ft. Irwin and then we could recreate 1916...