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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #100 on: November 13, 2018, 10:53:36 PM »
Let "Puff" fly the boarder...
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #101 on: November 13, 2018, 11:24:07 PM »
Hawkmoon spake thusly:

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A violent invasion should be repelled with more violence than the invaders ever knew existed.

Reminds me of Jeff Cooper's answer to the question about what he would do if violence were directed at him.  Something like:  "I would endeavor to provide more violence in return than he can possibly enjoy."

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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #102 on: November 13, 2018, 11:31:53 PM »
Let "Puff" fly the boarder...

I wonder if any still exist. There are still lots of DC-3s and C47s, but I wonder if there are any in "Puff" configuration.

Man, they were awesome. They flew missions within view of where I was in the central highlands a few times. At night it was just a stream of fire coming out of that bird. We heard that the rate of fire was so great that the planes were displaced sideways in the air. We all called BS on that .... until we saw it. But I think the Warthog is ultimately even more effective and more intimidating.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #103 on: November 13, 2018, 11:57:39 PM »
Yup, on the BS and warthog
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #104 on: November 14, 2018, 12:40:52 AM »
Magic dragon gunship:

https://youtu.be/uKOrpyO0z48 (3:37)

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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #105 on: November 14, 2018, 02:48:25 AM »
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #106 on: November 14, 2018, 08:04:14 AM »
Let "Puff" fly the boarder...

Magic dragon gunship:

https://youtu.be/uKOrpyO0z48 (3:37)

HA! Different kind of PUFF than what I was thinking apparently. :facepalm: :rofl:
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #107 on: November 14, 2018, 05:07:06 PM »
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #108 on: November 14, 2018, 05:29:13 PM »
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2018, 06:10:36 PM »
So as of now it appears at least 7000 "asylum seekers" will be queued up in Tijuana?

https://www.foxnews.com/world/as-migrant-caravan-reaches-tijuana-overwhelmed-city-asks-mexican-government-for-4-million
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #112 on: November 16, 2018, 06:33:26 PM »
NPR did a story on this, I can't remember if it was yesterday or earlier this week.

Basically if the members of the caravan wait in line at the border, go through the interview process and pass, they will be granted asylum.

What it sounds like is that the members of this caravan have been told all along the way that this isn't going to happen, so many have been trying to run across the borders in groups at the car crossings, they get caught and detained. The news person also said, in the past about 91% of the people in previous caravans passed the initial screening and were granted asylum.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #113 on: November 16, 2018, 06:48:14 PM »
Basically if the members of the caravan wait in line at the border, go through the interview process and pass, they will be granted asylum.

I don't understand how every one of these people would qualify for asylum. We already have documented evidence of criminals who were booted out of the country once already trying to get back in.

Plus I'm probably biased from stories my mom told from when she was a refugee. They were lucky to have any kind of clothes or shoes at all. My mom walked from Hungary to Austria in men's boots way too big for her and jacket sewn together from an old blanket. Pictures of these "asylum seekers" show a lot of well dressed people with smart phones.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #114 on: November 20, 2018, 08:54:35 AM »
The extra military personnel are slated to leave the border region no later than December 15.  It sounds like they weren't really serious about augmenting border security after all.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2018, 10:56:27 AM »
Plus I'm probably biased from stories my mom told from when she was a refugee. They were lucky to have any kind of clothes or shoes at all. My mom walked from Hungary to Austria in men's boots way too big for her and jacket sewn together from an old blanket. Pictures of these "asylum seekers" show a lot of well dressed people with smart phones.

I imagine if Central America had just finished up being the epicenter of World War and two different allied powers fighting over who gets to divide up what, they would be dressed in rags. Well dressed I am not surprised, Americans donate a lot of gently used clothes that eventually makes it way to poorer parts of the world, I'm not a fashionista so I can't tell of if they are wearing this fall's fashion for pants or something from 20 years ago. Basic clothing really hasn't changed much in 30 years, not like they are wearing polyester leisure suits. Outside the US, smart phones are basic and cheap, so seeing those it doesn't surprise me.

I've been trying to figure out why they are coming here, seems from normal news sources its 50/50, some are escaping crime/corruption ridden areas and others are wanting a better life, with a better wages. Of course there is always going to be a certain percentage of any group that tries to criminally game the system, like most groups, this is probably a very low percentage.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2018, 11:11:10 AM »
Why would anyone want to deny these proto US citizens the freedom from want, fear and the right to vote for the Democrats?
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2018, 11:15:35 AM »
I've been trying to figure out why they are coming here, seems from normal news sources its 50/50, some are escaping crime/corruption ridden areas and others are wanting a better life, with a better wages. Of course there is always going to be a certain percentage of any group that tries to criminally game the system, like most groups, this is probably a very low percentage.

While some of them are most certainly hoping to "live the American dream" of being able to work their way to prosperity, I think far too many are coming for the handouts. For those that want to escape crime and corruption, Mexico gave them an option, but it seems nobody wanted it. They could have settled in a land with similar cultural attributes and language, where despite all the negative news, there are large "middle class" areas not dissimilar to Anytown USA.

If nothing else, they could initially accept Mexico's offer and then apply to legally immigrate into the US if this is what they really want to shoot for. I still argue that 95% of this group does not qualify for asylum status, which to me generally means there is an immediate need to leave due to danger to life. In that case again, as per international agreement, you accept asylum in the first safe State you enter, which in this case is Mexico. When they said "no thanks" to the asylum offer, to me, at that point, they just became emigrants.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2018, 11:17:23 AM »
Why would anyone want to deny these proto US citizens the freedom from want, fear and the right to vote for the Democrats?

Most legal/former illegal immigrants I know, aren't fans of the democrat party. Might be a Iowa thing.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2018, 11:20:44 AM »
Most legal/former illegal immigrants I know, aren't fans of the democrat party. Might be a Iowa thing.

I suspect even in CA a large/predominate portion of LEGAL immigrants tend R. Perhaps less so the legal immigrants from South of the border, but legal immigrants from other countries seem to tend conservative and hate illegal immigration. Which kinda makes sense, because nobody likes line-cutters.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #120 on: November 20, 2018, 11:32:37 AM »
The racial breakdown of voting patterns is not a state secret.

There isn’t a single immigrant population of any other race that is even evenly split 50/50 let alone being natural conservatives.

That doesn’t mean they are bad people, that I don’t like them or I hate them.

More immigrants, even white Europeans I suspect, equals more Democrat control.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #121 on: November 20, 2018, 03:36:25 PM »
For those that want to escape crime and corruption, Mexico gave them an option, but it seems nobody wanted it. They could have settled in a land with similar cultural attributes and language, where despite all the negative news, there are large "middle class" areas not dissimilar to Anytown USA.

News seems to tell us there is no safe place in Mexico either, perhaps the members of the caravan think the same way.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #122 on: November 20, 2018, 04:00:56 PM »
News seems to tell us there is no safe place in Mexico either, perhaps the members of the caravan think the same way.

Large swaths of the world are unsafe.

They all cannot come here.
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #123 on: November 20, 2018, 04:19:15 PM »
Large swaths of the world are unsafe.

They all cannot come here.

I would agree with you but with the ultra low unemployment in some areas, there is a need to for folks wanting a better life. Hell there is at least 2000 unfilled positions in the area where I live, granted most of them don't pay much more than $10-12 and are hard work, but someone needs to fill those jobs. 
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Re: The illegal invader caravan thread
« Reply #124 on: November 20, 2018, 04:26:06 PM »
I would agree with you but with the ultra low unemployment in some areas, there is a need to for folks wanting a better life. Hell there is at least 2000 unfilled positions in the area where I live, granted most of them don't pay much more than $10-12 and are hard work, but someone needs to fill those jobs. 

They need to raise the pay scale to attract workers.

If it’s hard work it is worth more than $12 an hour in this economy.

Gas station attendants make that in some areas.

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