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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #25 on: November 01, 2018, 06:49:03 PM »
Yep, there are numerous churches around here that are bending over backwards to welcome refugees and get them housing, medical care, and any and all freebies the state and feds give out.

I just wonder if anyone every asks the refugees if they (and their religion and/or country) would do the same for us, if the situation were reversed.  Boy, I bet they would find the answer enlightening...
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #26 on: November 01, 2018, 07:04:08 PM »
Apparently the separation of church and state doesn’t apply when it concerns progressive causes.

Nobody seems to mind the legislation of morality when it is the moral system of the left being enshrined in law.

It’s not even hyperbole to say the radical egalitarianism of the left is destroying western civilization.

I doubt I’ll be around to see the mousetopia that takes its place.

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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #27 on: November 01, 2018, 07:16:09 PM »
Apparently the separation of church and state doesn’t apply when it concerns progressive causes.

Nobody seems to mind the legislation of morality when it is the moral system of the left being enshrined in law.



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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #28 on: November 01, 2018, 08:18:30 PM »
From the perspective of I like to learn something every day, and I had not the faintest idea about this, I found this link that explains it in terms simple enough for me to understand:

http://www.bible-teaching-about.com/evangelicalandpentecostal.html

I think the author is ill-informed. Emphasizing or downplaying "tongues" or miracles cannot make someone more or less evangelical. The author doesn't seem to understand the term, or why it came into use.

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By evangelical what people in the United States generally mean refers to those Christians who believe in the essentials of the historic Christian Faith. That would be things such as the inerrancy and authority of the Bible (which is probably the most important), Diety and virgin birth of Jesus Christ along with His death, burial and resurrection, ascension to heaven, and His return. They believe in salvation by faith, the resurrection of the Christian’s body, and the reality of Satan, angels, heaven and hell.

What she's describing here is really a "Christian," although Catholic Christians might differ somewhat on "salvation by faith." "Fundamentalist" or "conservative" would also be a better term for what she's describing.

The term "Evangelical" makes sense, if you think of Evangelicals as putting a greater emphasis on the individual believer, and his relationship to God; and less emphasis on the believer as a member of a church, whose relationship to God is heavily dependent on the formal, corporate worship and life of the church.

I'm going to make some overly simplistic statements, to show the contrast between Evangelicals and more traditional groups, hopefully explaining what "Evangelicalism" came to mean.

Traditionally, historically, Catholics and some Protestant groups "evangelized" by baptizing infants, catechizing young children, and then through confirmation, first communion, and other rites by which individual believers were taught faith by the regular worship and rituals of the church. The Evangelical groups that came to the fore during the "Great Awakening" and similar movements, differed by emphasizing (you guessed it) evangelism. That is, preaching about the need for repentance, and forgiveness of sins through faith in Jesus. Or through small-group meetings (the early Methodists), and one-on-one discussions. Their emphasis was on the individual finding faith in God as an individual; not by simply following along with the rituals of the church.

As I said, the above is oversimplified. To under-simplify, Evangelical churches still catechize(d) children, and Catholics also preach(ed) about repentance and faith in Christ. Evangelicalism doesn't mean that church is unimportant, nor am I saying that Catholicism or conservative Lutheranism is just about being a faceless cog in the machinery of the church. But there is a difference in emphasis. Evangelicalism is marked by a greater emphasis on you - yes, you there - having a personal relationship with Christ. Non-evangelical Christianity puts greater emphasis on the institution.

I should add, "Evangelicalism" is only a buzz-word today because it is such a big chunk of American Christianity. It includes nearly every church that isn't Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox, Anglican, or a few others; not to mention some churches in the aforementioned groups.

I should also add, though I'm excluding Lutherans, "Evangelical" was a term used to describe the early Lutherans. That's a different sense of the word, though.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #29 on: November 01, 2018, 08:55:28 PM »
I just wonder if anyone every asks the refugees if they (and their religion and/or country) would do the same for us, if the situation were reversed.  Boy, I bet they would find the answer enlightening...

I am not Christian, but it's my understanding that whether or not the good works would be reciprocated doesn't really play into the decision to do good works.

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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2018, 11:16:27 PM »

I should add, "Evangelicalism" is only a buzz-word today because it is such a big chunk of American Christianity. It includes nearly every church that isn't Catholic, Lutheran, Orthodox, Anglican, or a few others; not to mention some churches in the aforementioned groups.


After my late wife finally parted company with the Roman Catholic faith of her birth (and most of her adult life) when the priest of the RC church we attended was arrested for having embezzled over $1 million from the parish (most of which went to support his homosexual lover in another city), we attended an Episcopal church. She liked it because the mass was virtually identical to the Catholic mass, so she felt comfortable with it, and they gave Holt Communion every week. I mention it because the Episcopal Church makes A Big Deal out of the fact that they are (according to them) an evangelical church.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2018, 01:43:40 AM »
This is probably an oversimplification, but any denomination with "United" in its name is going to be mostly leftist SJW heresy.

Why would that be?
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2018, 08:15:20 AM »
Not one reference to an actual bible verse or doctrine.

Mostly emoting and bam! Identity politics.

Evangelicism has been converged into the social justice movement. It’s a dead man walking, it just doesn’t know it yet.

Jesus is my nicest BFF is not Christianity.

Those brothers and sisters have been led astray.

It certainly isn’t a Christian thing to do voting for Hillary, Molechs chosen one.

I think a good case can be made for Christians not voting at all but I haven’t made that leap. I have few hero’s but one that I do have is Roger Williams.

Democracy by its very nature tempts you to violate your conscience.

I understand the confusion on the left at the old guard evangelical support of Trump. There was definitely a compromising of principles and plowing forward despite the cognitive dissonance.

It’s hard to escape “the ends justify the means” and “lesser of two evils” formulations in democratic elections.

“He doesn’t hate me and my religion” was probably a huge motive.

I agree with all of this.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #33 on: November 02, 2018, 08:20:21 AM »
Why would that be?

I don't know.  Playing off "Unitarian" maybe?  When the denominations split up (whenever that was) the liberals took the branch with the word United.  UCC, ULCA, UPCI (actually I don't know much about the United Pentecostals), UMC...  That's all I can think of.  Perhaps they didn't start out liberal, but they have top-down governance and the liberals took over the leadership. 

One thing I like about SBC is they are bottom-up, so it would be almost impossible for SJW heretics to take over.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #34 on: November 02, 2018, 08:44:58 AM »
Why would that be?

You'd have to dig into the history.  My suspicion is, liberal* churches having less doctrinal reasons to be apart, conglomerate.

(*liberal in the sense mean by J. Gresham Machen in his "Christianity and Liberalism" from the '20s.   This stuff's been going on for a long time.)

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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #35 on: November 02, 2018, 08:49:38 AM »
You'd have to dig into the history.  My suspicion is, liberal* churches having less doctrinal reasons to be apart, conglomerate.

(*liberal in the sense mean by J. Gresham Machen in his "Christianity and Liberalism" from the '20s.   This stuff's been going on for a long time.)


That theory makes a lot of sense.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #36 on: November 02, 2018, 09:17:39 AM »
The ecumenical movement and WWC are attempts at Christian unity that set aside a lot of doctrinal differences.

The word “United” brings that movement and organization into the mind of many conservative Christians.

I’m in favor of Christian unity but it seems many of the unity movements have promoting Marxism or socialism as their primary mission.

It’s the old dilemma of being seen as a hard hearted mean conservative because I oppose their legislative goals.
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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2018, 09:40:04 AM »
One thing I like about SBC is they are bottom-up, so it would be almost impossible for SJW heretics to take over.

Some time ago, the Southern Baptist Convention used to be pretty nasty.  It was originally founded in opposition to the northern Baptists church's refusal to hire slave owners as missionaries.

The SBC even came out supporting Roe v. Wade at the time it was decided!!!

Fortunately, they have improved since then:

http://www.bpnews.net/44055/how-southern-baptists-became-prolife

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Re: Young evangelicals speak out
« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2018, 07:04:26 PM »
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