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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #75 on: February 12, 2008, 11:05:33 PM »
Why didn't the Seargant sign it? 

I am sorry but this is just another little propagandha email.

I am tired of being told I am not patriotic because I don't approve of the government actions.  I am tired of the "they hate us for our freedoms" rhetoric.  I am tired of spending money on a war that does not help the people but lines the pockets of the rulers.  I am tired of Bush continuing to change the reason we are at war.  I am tired of this administrations lack of responsibility.  I am tired of the government torturing people at GITMO.  I am tired of the government taking away my freedoms while fighting for the freedoms (according ot them) of people in a country that does not want us there.  I am tired of watching US troops die so that Bush and Co. can protect the oil.  I am tired of murdering people in other countries who have never attacked us.  I am tired... so I am off to bed.

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #76 on: February 12, 2008, 11:15:07 PM »
I'm tired of everyone who volunteered to be one of the minions of Darth Cheney/Bush Co. complaining about the manner in which they have been treated during their "mission."

Staff Sgt. Cannon Fodder put the bullseye on his own chest for this fiasco: he can keep his manifesto.
I concur.

Why didn't the so called Staff Seargant sign the little letter?  I hate these little emails that get sent around.  Jim Bob figures he can bash the democrats and gain legitimacy by saying it is from a soldier in Iraq or Afghanistan.  What Jim Bob doesnt know is that educated people will see right through this while the dumb minority of the populace will eat it up and spit it out as the gospel. 

If the author really felt strongly, the he would have not chickened out but signed it.

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #77 on: February 12, 2008, 11:27:33 PM »
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When everyone was being fed cherrypicked and edited shoddy intelligence to get us into it?
Manedwolf maybe this is where Bush Cherrypicked his info

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http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=4386.0
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I got this in an email; it's not new but every now and then some folks could stand to be reminded. Smiley  The quotes are from Lexis-Nexis, I'm told.

Titled:  "Whoops I forgot I said that!!"
 
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten time since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18,1998

"[WE] urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry( D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." > - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years . We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real" - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

SO NOW EVERY ONE OF THESE SAME DEMOCRATS SAY PRESIDENT BUSH LIED--THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION AND HE TOOK US TO WAR UNNECESSARILY!

What does that have to do with Bin Laden?  I believe he said that Bin Laden was the #1 priority. 

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Bush Quotes about Bin Laden

For your amusement and future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'"
- G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...."
- Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool,
The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

Shouldnt we be pursuing him rather than going to Iraq?


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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #78 on: February 13, 2008, 11:22:47 AM »
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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #79 on: February 13, 2008, 11:25:59 AM »
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I think people volunteered to go kill al Qaeda and Baathists.
People who joined up prior to 2003 joined to "kill Baathists"?
People who joined up in the wake of 9/11 joined up to invade Iraq?

Have you any opinion poll or other evidence to support these assertions?
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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #80 on: February 13, 2008, 11:28:09 AM »
Odd that there are a lot of folks re-uping to "finish the job", if they don't believe in what's being done there...

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #81 on: February 13, 2008, 11:57:02 AM »
Bin Laden's not a major player right now. He's a target, and a symbol, and a liability to those around him.

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #82 on: February 13, 2008, 12:11:45 PM »
Odd that there are a lot of folks re-uping to "finish the job", if they don't believe in what's being done there...

You haven't seen the retention numbers, have ya?  Excluding stop loss funny business, of course.
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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #83 on: February 13, 2008, 03:44:10 PM »
I used to believe that Bush was sincere about his reasons for invading Iraq.  Perhaps he didn't lie about THAT.  However, there was never any mention of fighting an endless global war on terror, based out of Iraq, that would cost every family in the US $50,000-just for starters. 
I supported the decision to remove Saddam from power.  After all, we were told that the Iraqi masses yearned for freedom, were highly educated,motivated, and that they would embrace democracy. 
Oddly, I later learned that no one (including GH Bush, or Dick Cheney) believed that, when we had an opportunity to topple Saddam during Gulf War I,and had sufficient forces in country to accomplish it. No one did. In fact, everyone predicted the same outcome that we see today.
Either GW Bush lied about something, or he's as dull as he appears to be....I'm hoping it's the latter.

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #84 on: February 14, 2008, 12:21:36 AM »
Yes people are enlisting...

http://www.army.mil/recruitingandretention/

and they are exceeding their goal according to the Army.  However I wonder if the numbers increased because the military did lower their entrance standards for enlistment.  Are these people those who at one point were unlistable?  It seems that up until 2005 the military was not meeting recruitment goals.  This year it seems that they are exceeding it in most cases.  However I have to ask why? 

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #85 on: February 21, 2008, 11:57:18 AM »
when I looked @ aps today I thought to myself, when the heck did I post this?
Its (it's? I never get that right) a year old already!

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Re: Things that I am tired of in this war:
« Reply #86 on: February 21, 2008, 12:00:09 PM »
Yes people are enlisting...

http://www.army.mil/recruitingandretention/

and they are exceeding their goal according to the Army.  However I wonder if the numbers increased because the military did lower their entrance standards for enlistment.  Are these people those who at one point were unlistable?  It seems that up until 2005 the military was not meeting recruitment goals.  This year it seems that they are exceeding it in most cases.  However I have to ask why? 

There was a time when the enlistment standards in all the services were pretty high, since troop numbers were slashed during Monica lewinsky's boyfriend's regime.
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