Author Topic: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye  (Read 4969 times)

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,258
  • You're not diggin'
Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« on: November 29, 2018, 02:21:20 AM »
"I make love to men daily, but in the imagination."
                         - Barack Obama

freakazoid

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6,243
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2018, 06:51:34 AM »
To quote myself from a facebook post,
Quote
All it actually says is that Trump will announce something dealing with the bump-stocks, doesn't even actually quote anything that Trump said about the announcement. Stop falling for CNN's anti-Trump crap. Does no one remember when Trump tricked the media into giving him coverage by saying he had a "major announcement"? The media took it that he was going to talk about the whole Obama birther thing and all he did was basically turn it into a campaign add for himself.
"so I ended up getting the above because I didn't want to make a whole production of sticking something between my knees and cranking. To me, the cranking on mine is pretty effortless, at least on the coarse setting. Maybe if someone has arthritis or something, it would be more difficult for them." - Ben

"I see a rager at least once a week." - brimic

cordex

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,570
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2018, 07:09:33 AM »
To quote myself from a facebook post,
Right, because Trump never said that he was planning on banning bump stocks or ordered bATFeieio to find a way to do it.

If it goes in a direction other than moving forward with a ban I’d be utterly shocked.

freakazoid

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 6,243
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2018, 07:32:12 AM »
Right, because Trump never said that he was planning on banning bump stocks or ordered bATFeieio to find a way to do it.

If it goes in a direction other than moving forward with a ban I’d be utterly shocked.

Correct, he did not. He gave the media a distraction to make it look like something was being done.
"so I ended up getting the above because I didn't want to make a whole production of sticking something between my knees and cranking. To me, the cranking on mine is pretty effortless, at least on the coarse setting. Maybe if someone has arthritis or something, it would be more difficult for them." - Ben

"I see a rager at least once a week." - brimic

MikeB

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 924
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2018, 07:33:20 AM »
So the article says it will require owners to destroy or turn in ones owned. It doesn’t mention compensation. That would seem to me to be an immediate constitutional issue.

Pb

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 4,887
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2018, 09:23:17 AM »
So the article says it will require owners to destroy or turn in ones owned. It doesn’t mention compensation. That would seem to me to be an immediate constitutional issue.

If the constitution mattered, you would be able to buy a new m16 at the gun store.  And social security would not exist.

The gov has never had a problem retroactively banning guns before and screwing over the owners (atkins accelerator, ak-47s imported with the third hole drilled etc).

cordex

  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,570
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2018, 09:41:05 AM »
Correct, he did not. He gave the media a distraction to make it look like something was being done.
We'll see.

Doggy Daddy

  • Poobah
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,330
  • From the saner side of Las Vegas
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2018, 02:51:31 PM »
Let's all mail him Levi's belt loops.
Would you exchange
a walk-on part in a war
for a lead role in a cage?
-P.F.

Scout26

  • I'm a leaf on the wind.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 25,997
  • I spent a week in that town one night....
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2018, 03:18:24 PM »
There are going to be court cases showing that the ATF is 1)  Violating their rule making ability sans Congressionally passed legislation, 2) Violating their own rule on the definition of semi vs fully automatic.  3)  The "takings clause" of constitution, and 4) other things that my non-legal mind can't conceive.
Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.


Bring me my Broadsword and a clear understanding.
Get up to the roundhouse on the cliff-top standing.
Take women and children and bed them down.
Bless with a hard heart those that stand with me.
Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind.
Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on,
for the motherland.

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,334
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2018, 03:27:27 PM »
There are going to be court cases showing that the ATF is 1)  Violating their rule making ability sans Congressionally passed legislation, 2) Violating their own rule on the definition of semi vs fully automatic.  3)  The "takings clause" of constitution, and 4) other things that my non-legal mind can't conceive.

"And creatin' a nuisance"?
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Angel Eyes

  • Lying dog-faced pony soldier
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 12,258
  • You're not diggin'
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2018, 03:57:35 PM »
"And creatin' a nuisance"?


All right, you . . . . . off to the Group W bench.
"I make love to men daily, but in the imagination."
                         - Barack Obama

just Warren

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,234
  • My DJ name is Heavy Cream.
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2018, 03:59:09 PM »
And here I was about to buy a bump stock for my 642.
Member in Good Standing of the Spontaneous Order of the Invisible Hand.

Scout26

  • I'm a leaf on the wind.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 25,997
  • I spent a week in that town one night....
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2018, 04:03:36 PM »
and 5) Aggravated Mopery.
Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants won't help.


Bring me my Broadsword and a clear understanding.
Get up to the roundhouse on the cliff-top standing.
Take women and children and bed them down.
Bless with a hard heart those that stand with me.
Bless the women and children who firm our hands.
Put our backs to the north wind.
Hold fast by the river.
Sweet memories to drive us on,
for the motherland.

Andiron

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,930
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2018, 09:17:46 PM »
They just rolled summon Alan Gura.
"Leftism destroys everything good." -  Ron

There is no fixing stupid. But, you can line it up in front of a wall and offer it a last smoke.

There is no such thing as a "transgender" person.  Only mental illness that should be discouraged.

TommyGunn

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 7,956
  • Stuck in full auto since birth.
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2018, 11:38:35 PM »
They just rolled summon Alan Gura.
???  Do what????
MOLON LABE   "Through ignorance of what is good and what is bad, the life of men is greatly perplexed." ~~ Cicero

230RN

  • It's like swimming to shore in an ebb tide.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,826
  • Pushing back. Help me out, here...
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2018, 03:07:46 AM »
Like rolling a seven?  They crapped out and now will have to contend with hotshot pro gun attorneys?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Gura

Quote
Gura successfully argued two landmark constitutional cases before the United States Supreme Court, District of Columbia v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago.

On March 22, 2013, the National Law Journal named Mr. Gura one of "The 100 Most Influential Lawyers in America."[2]

Did I get that right?  Gura's one of my long-standing Heroes Of The Republic.

Terry


MechAg94

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 33,622
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2018, 06:27:58 PM »
I didn't really get that either. 

I don't have a bump stock anymore.  I am mainly concerned with how they write the rule and how it will be stretched to cover other items.  I do have a binary trigger (they are fun toys). 
“It is much more important to kill bad bills than to pass good ones.”  ― Calvin Coolidge

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,334
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2018, 06:42:33 PM »
They just rolled summon Alan Gura.


I believe he's referring to rolling a die in a role-playing game (such as Dungeons & Dragons). Their actions will provoke Alan Gura to challenge them.
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

Strings

  • APS Pimp
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 5,195
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2018, 03:59:23 AM »
Oh gawds... I find it hilarious that fistful got the reference, while nobody else did
No Child Should Live In Fear

What was that about a pearl handled revolver and someone from New Orleans again?

Screw it: just autoclave the planet (thanks Birdman)

Andiron

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 3,930
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2018, 09:39:01 AM »

I believe he's referring to rolling a die in a role-playing game (such as Dungeons & Dragons). Their actions will provoke Alan Gura to challenge them.

Winner winner.

Seriously,  none of you degenerates ever played D&D?
"Leftism destroys everything good." -  Ron

There is no fixing stupid. But, you can line it up in front of a wall and offer it a last smoke.

There is no such thing as a "transgender" person.  Only mental illness that should be discouraged.

230RN

  • It's like swimming to shore in an ebb tide.
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 18,826
  • Pushing back. Help me out, here...
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2018, 01:19:05 PM »
I guess I got close, but in a non-D&D context.

HeroHog

  • Technical Site Pig
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,030
  • It can ALWAYS get worse!
    • FaceButt Profile
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2018, 05:34:01 PM »
Not a D&D  player, ever, but I inferred that was the reference because I AM a huge nerd/geek...
I might not last very long or be very effective but I'll be a real pain in the ass for a minute!
MOLON LABE!

Perd Hapley

  • Superstar of the Internet
  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 61,334
  • My prepositions are on/in
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2018, 05:57:34 PM »
Not a D&D  player, ever, but I inferred that was the reference because I AM a huge nerd/geek...


Cool story, bro.
"Doggies are angel babies!" -- my wife

HeroHog

  • Technical Site Pig
  • Administrator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8,030
  • It can ALWAYS get worse!
    • FaceButt Profile
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #23 on: December 02, 2018, 06:46:10 PM »
Yer jus jealous...
I might not last very long or be very effective but I'll be a real pain in the ass for a minute!
MOLON LABE!

Fly320s

  • friend
  • Senior Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 14,415
  • Formerly, Arthur, King of the Britons
Re: Bump stocks appear to be going bye-bye
« Reply #24 on: December 02, 2018, 07:56:44 PM »
Seriously,  none of you degenerates ever played D&D?

I was busy being not-a-nerd.
Islamic sex dolls.  Do they blow themselves up?