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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2018, 06:04:55 PM »
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2018, 06:32:54 PM »
Hate to see this.  Those will be big shoes to fill.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2018, 06:39:04 PM »
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2018, 07:07:13 PM »
He "resigned."   Is it real or euphemism?   ??? 

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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2018, 07:11:24 PM »
I suspect that, as a Marine general, Mattis probably has a low tolerance for rampant lunacy. Two years of serving under a loose cannon like Trump was probably all he could take.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2018, 07:23:50 PM »
I suspect that, as a Marine general, Mattis probably has a low tolerance for rampant lunacy. Two years of serving under a loose cannon like Trump was probably all he could take.

I actually thought he showed great tolerance to this point, all things considered. However I think Trump has been listening to him less and less, and from the looks of the resignation letter, Syria was the straw that broke the Monk's back.

I only hope Trump has the good sense not to, in six months or so, do the same thing to Mattis that he did with Tillerson - i.e., "He's a moron and I know more about this stuff than any General!" Mattis, I think, was almost universally respected by everyone except the most far left SJWs. Going down the name-calling route with him will not get Trump the laughs he got with Omarosa and Scaramucci.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 07:29:49 PM »
I suspect that, as a Marine general, Mattis probably has a low tolerance for rampant lunacy. Two years of serving under a loose cannon like Trump was probably all he could take.


*Sigh*  Other chiefs of staff have left after a few years as well .... although if Trump goes all Tillerson on him later that will be a horrible mistake ......
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 07:44:46 PM »

*Sigh*  Other chiefs of staff have left after a few years as well .... although if Trump goes all Tillerson on him later that will be a horrible mistake ......

Even Trump can't be that dense.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2018, 08:11:23 PM »
Even Trump can't be that dense.

Every time I think that he takes it as a challenge....

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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 08:21:06 PM »
Mattis is the one person in DC I trusted to know his job, to do that job, and to not be motivated primarily out of self interest.  Enjoy your retirement, General.  You've served with honor.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 08:26:49 PM »

*Sigh*  Other chiefs of staff have left after a few years as well .... although if Trump goes all Tillerson on him later that will be a horrible mistake ......

Mattis was Sec Def.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 08:30:53 PM »
Every time I think that he takes it as a challenge....

That will be the end of his 2020 aspirations, if nothing else.

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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 09:12:46 PM »
Mad Dog 2020 time!
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 09:22:07 PM »
Mad Dog 2020 time!

All I want for Christmas   :cool:


Also,  to quote Terminal Lance:

"As a general thing, I suppose it’s a good thing for the military as a whole to have a Secretary of Defense that is universally loved and adored across all ranks and rates. As far as the legends and memes go, those that have met the Honorable Secretary can attest that underneath all of the hype is a genuinely good, down to earth man that loves his Marines.

Also worth noting is that the 66 year old man likely doesn’t spend a lot of time shitposting on Facebook anyway.

He’s better off, really."


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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2018, 09:39:21 PM »
Mattis was Sec Def.

I think he was referring to Trump trash talking about Tillerson after he left.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2018, 09:43:35 PM »
Mattis did seem to be on board with Team America World Police.

It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he was on board with the GH Bush new world order.

No disrespect intended to him but if he is a neocon globalist at heart then it’s best he retire.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2018, 11:43:32 PM »
Mattis was Sec Def.
You're right but they've come and gone in other administration's as well.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2018, 11:54:07 PM »
Mattis did seem to be on board with Team America World Police.

It’s not outside the realm of possibility that he was on board with the GH Bush new world order.

No disrespect intended to him but if he is a neocon globalist at heart then it’s best he retire.

Really? Did you read his letter?

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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2018, 05:31:35 AM »
Too many folks are jumping overboard from the SS Trump. I'm really beginning to believe he will be a one term President.  Assuming, of course, he survives the inevitable impeachment attempts next year.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2018, 07:44:50 AM »
It's like Trump has gone full 'tard this week.  Syria, caving in on the CR/Border Wall, firing Mattis.  He's taken his stupid pills for sure...
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2018, 08:02:23 AM »
The letter:

https://partner-mco-archive.s3.amazonaws.com/client_files/1545345409.pdf


Most of the resignation letters so far have been short and to the point. Honor to serve, we accomplished a lot, MAGA etc.
Mattis actually has some things to say in his and he says them well.
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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2018, 08:56:54 AM »
Really? Did you read his letter?


Our killing middle easterners across the whole region and breaking marginally functioning countries is part of our mutual defense? American defense or western allies defense? Defense from who?

The only country you can make a case for invading or breaking is Afghanistan.

How many countries are we killing people and breaking things in now, over the last decade?

Providing leadership to our allies? Why are we leading countries on the other side of the globe?

Typical politician speak, using themes and words that mean one thing to us but he really means the opposite.

“I’m against us being the global police we must lead our allies as we police the world.”

Great general from all accounts, not on board with his vision.

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Re: Holy Hell! Mattis is Out
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2018, 09:42:26 AM »
I think Mattis wants to see us out of Syria as well. With only an armchair analyst guess, there must be something behind the scenes that had Mattis worried from the strategic perspective regarding Trump simply announcing, "We're done, ISIS is finished". Much like when Obama said the "JV Team" was finished. From the news at least, it sounds like Mattis was very worried, to the point of pretty much just showing up at the White House for one last plea.

There are many ways to pull back. We saw that Obama did it wrong. My guess is that Mattis didn't want Trump repeating that error.

On the tangent, it has been kinda funny to watch both the Obama cheerleaders and the Trump cheerleaders pretty much defending or criticizing the opposite of what they were doing when "the other guy" did it. Suddenly Dem leadership are all acting like Mattis is their bestest buddy, and ISIS is a great danger and we need our troops in the ME. I've also seen way too many conservatives saying some pretty stupid things about Mattis in the "good riddance" sense (not so much in Congress, but more the "conservative pundits").

The last thing I want to see with Trump (or any President) is to be surrounded by yes men. I was pretty impressed with Trump's original cabinet choices and what looked like him surrounding himself with experts that he would listen to. Sadly, I'm starting to see that go in the opposite direction. He still does have around a year to turn that back around though.

I don't mind Trump doing the "I know more than anyone else" stuff with economic issues. In many ways, he has shown himself to be right. I'm scared about him doing that with national security issues. I'm very curious about who gave him information and advice, and what that was, that would cause him to blow off Mattis.
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