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« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2019, 07:12:48 AM »

Because my last shift when the shutdown happened was a midnight shift, I received a partial paycheck of $200 for this pay period.  Officially working for IOUs. 
Trump is going to lose any chances he had with federal workers over this shut down. 
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« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2019, 07:27:00 AM »

On the way home, a story on NPR was about people who cannot buy a house because the FHA is not in business to process loans.

Why in the world should the federal gov process home loans???  That should go away.
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« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2019, 07:47:02 AM »

Why in the world should the federal gov process home loans???  That should go away.


Should it go away? Yes.  Lots of what the fed.gov should go away.  But it never will.
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« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2019, 07:56:29 AM »

Because my last shift when the shutdown happened was a midnight shift, I received a partial paycheck of $200 for this pay period.  Officially working for IOUs. 
Trump is going to lose any chances he had with federal workers over this shut down. 

Yes, because sooooooo many of them voted for him the first time....https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/district-of-columbia/
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« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2019, 07:57:50 AM »

Yes, because sooooooo many of them voted for him the first time....https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president/district-of-columbia/

Oh I agree the majority vote D. I work with a lot of them.  
I think he's hoping this will put pressure on the D's to cave.  But I promise you the asshats I work with who vote D will never vote R.
Instead, though, my anecdotal "boots on the ground" take is many of my R and I coworkers are disgruntled with Trump and would vote for a moderate D over him in a heartbeat at this point.
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« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2019, 08:13:42 AM »

Oh I agree the majority vote D. I work with a lot of them.  
I think he's hoping this will put pressure on the D's to cave.  But I promise you the asshats I work with who vote D will never vote R.
Instead, though, my anecdotal "boots on the ground" take is many of my R and I coworkers are disgruntled with Trump and would vote for a moderate D over him in a heartbeat at this point.

And most of them would have voted for a "moderate" D over him in the first place.

Of course, every D will lie and say they area  "moderate" and then push the leftist agenda of open borders, "healthcare for all!", high taxes, and increased regulation.

But at least they will call them "moderate" positions.
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2019, 08:19:23 AM »

Oh I agree the majority vote D. I work with a lot of them.  
I think he's hoping this will put pressure on the D's to cave.  But I promise you the asshats I work with who vote D will never vote R.
Instead, though, my anecdotal "boots on the ground" take is many of my R and I coworkers are disgruntled with Trump and would vote for a moderate D over him in a heartbeat at this point.


One can be disgruntled with Trump, but again (JMO), if the dems offered Trump half the $5 billion he's asking for, he would call it a win and agree to it. The dems are refusing to even negotiate, but those "asshats" (and I worked with them too) are not and will never be disgruntled with the dems refusing to budge.
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2019, 08:34:04 AM »

One can be disgruntled with Trump, but again (JMO), if the dems offered Trump half the $5 billion he's asking for, he would call it a win and agree to it. The dems are refusing to even negotiate, but those "asshats" (and I worked with them too) are not and will never be disgruntled with the dems refusing to budge.

Yep, Trump offered to "reopen" the government, if Nancy would allow Border Security within 30 days, and she said "NO".  It's not Trump being intransigent, but the Dems.

I mean we've only been promised Border Security by Congress since the 1986 Amnesty.
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2019, 08:37:43 AM »

if the dems offered Trump half the $5 billion he's asking for, he would call it a win and agree to it.
Maybe. He originally asked for $1.6 and Senate Appropriations put in $1.6, then he upped it and things ground to a halt.
Seems kind of hard to predict what he's willing to accept now as the number keeps going up.

if Nancy would allow Border Security within 30 days
What does that even mean?
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« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2019, 08:46:13 AM »

Oh I agree the majority vote D. I work with a lot of them.  
I think he's hoping this will put pressure on the D's to cave.  But I promise you the asshats I work with who vote D will never vote R.
Instead, though, my anecdotal "boots on the ground" take is many of my R and I coworkers are disgruntled with Trump and would vote for a moderate D over him in a heartbeat at this point.


Trump's not my favorite CinC, but it's pretty clear that a bunch of American's want stronger border security, and a wall, Trump was elected in a large part on a promise to build a wall, and he said for the better part of a year that he would not sign a spending bill that didn't include funding for that promise.

Congress had almost two years to figure out how to give funding for that project, that again, a large portion of Americans elected representatives to do, or gather enough votes to override the President's veto power.  Congressional leaders could do neither.  In fact, as far as I can tell, Trump hasn't actually vetoed anything as Congress can't even get a bill through both houses.

This issue is Congress's fault, and blaming Trump for actually keeping his word, even if you disagree with it, is incorrect IMO.
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« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2019, 11:05:46 AM »

Oh I agree the majority vote D. I work with a lot of them.  
I think he's hoping this will put pressure on the D's to cave.  But I promise you the asshats I work with who vote D will never vote R.
Instead, though, my anecdotal "boots on the ground" take is many of my R and I coworkers are disgruntled with Trump and would vote for a moderate D over him in a heartbeat at this point.

Well, the most prominent moderate D I know of was John McCain, and he was hiding out in the GOP. So for moderate D's with some national recognition that leaves Collins and Murkowski . . . nobody else really comes to mind.
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« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2019, 11:13:18 AM »

Maybe. He originally asked for $1.6 and Senate Appropriations put in $1.6, then he upped it and things ground to a halt.
Seems kind of hard to predict what he's willing to accept now as the number keeps going up.

I'll revise my numbers down. If they were to come back with, "We'll accept your original $1.6 billion", he'll take it, call it a win, and say, "This was my negotiating tactic. That's the number I wanted and I asked for more as a bargaining tool because otherwise the dems wouldn't have given me anything."

Especially now that it's the day before Federal payday.

I'd certainly prefer something like this instead of "emergency powers" which seems his only other alternative for a quick end. I don't like presidents of either party using emergency powers so liberally. I complained when Obama did the "phone and pen" thing, and it's only fair that I complain if Trump does the same thing.
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« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2019, 12:36:38 PM »

Looks like even some Trump haters are asking why shutdowns are always the fault of Rs, never the fault of Ds:

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/01/10/media-take-note-if-you-have-ethics-brit-hume-shares-epic-thread-on-govt-shutdown-from-a-man-with-no-use-for-trump/
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« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2019, 12:47:14 PM »

I'll revise my numbers down. If they were to come back with, "We'll accept your original $1.6 billion", he'll take it, call it a win, and say, "This was my negotiating tactic. That's the number I wanted and I asked for more as a bargaining tool because otherwise the dems wouldn't have given me anything."

Especially now that it's the day before Federal payday.

I'd certainly prefer something like this instead of "emergency powers" which seems his only other alternative for a quick end. I don't like presidents of either party using emergency powers so liberally. I complained when Obama did the "phone and pen" thing, and it's only fair that I complain if Trump does the same thing.

While I agree that "Phone and Pen" thing are "not good"tm.  Maybe having Trump use them like Obama did will get Congress to go " umm, hey.  Maybe we need to re-think the powers we give to executive branch, and put some limits on them.  As it stands I heard that Emergency Powers have been used 38 times and 31 of them are still in effect.

Plus, Congress needs to start doing their damn jobs.  Just going back to you constitutants and saying "I stopped the other side", maybe talk about how you worked together to solve problems.
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« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2019, 02:57:39 PM »

Protesting at the White House, but not where Pelosi and Schumer hide out. Partisan jackwagons, doing the opposite of what they did during the Obama shutdown.

https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2019/01/10/furloughed-federal-workers-protest-trumps-shutdown-one-sign-reads-my-landlord-is-calling-already/

Oh, and the only way your landlord is calling, jackass, is if you didn't use your check from 28DEC to pay your rent on 01JAN.
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« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2019, 03:02:45 PM »

We were in front of the House today freezing our asses off.  Overall it was pretty non partisan, except when DeFazzio spoke he went a little "orange man bad".  And mentions of Mitchey-poo got a lot of boos for refusing to take a vote on appropriations.
Half a dozen cameras there but this is the only article I've found so far.
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/01/federal-workers-protest-the-government-shutdown.html
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« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2019, 06:18:50 PM »

I think he ought to up the ante. Refuse to sign anymore continuing resolutions, just a proper budget.
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« Reply #67 on: January 11, 2019, 05:57:10 AM »

https://www.msnbc.com/velshi-ruhle/watch/federal-workers-protest-government-shutdown-in-d-c-1423577667562?fbclid=IwAR0YB2Dfs8eGYlMD-mX7EyTuS6B7Lnux2xeDJ3Y59_7LWiwQKBZvcGvjruM

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« Reply #68 on: January 11, 2019, 06:30:27 AM »

I figured today would be the day things get more serious, but apparently congress packed up and went home for the weekend at COB yesterday.

That's kind of an opening for Trump to do the "emergency" thing, which I still don't like, because:

"I'm declaring a health care emergency and implementing single payer"
"I'm declaring a gun violence emergency and banning semi-auto firearms"
"I'm declaring a climate emergency and mandating a 100% tax on fossil fuels"

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« Reply #69 on: January 11, 2019, 06:33:09 AM »

I figured today would be the day things get more serious, but apparently congress packed up and went home for the weekend at COB yesterday.

That's kind of an opening for Trump to do the "emergency" thing, which I still don't like, because:

"I'm declaring a health care emergency and implementing single payer"
"I'm declaring a gun violence emergency and banning semi-auto firearms"
"I'm declaring a climate emergency and mandating a 100% tax on fossil fuels"



Yes and no.  I expect the democrats will challenge in court.  If they win and it gets quashed, that sets some serious precedent on limiting Presidential powers.  One of the few times I'm rooting for the D's to win in court.
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« Reply #70 on: January 11, 2019, 06:52:20 AM »

Yes and no.  I expect the democrats will challenge in court.  If they win and it gets quashed, that sets some serious precedent on limiting Presidential powers.  One of the few times I'm rooting for the D's to win in court.

Me too. While I've been thanking Harry Reid a lot over the last two years (mostly out of schadenfreude), at some point I'm going to be cursing him.

Same with stuff like Presidential emergency powers, phone and pen, etc. These are all short term solutions that do more harm than good in the long run. Emergency powers especially, need to be clearly defined.
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« Reply #71 on: January 11, 2019, 07:02:00 AM »

Emergency powers especially, need to be clearly defined.

First, there must be an emergency. A gradually (or even progressively) escalating problem that the .gov has actively participated in creating over the course of decades does not qualify as an "emergency" IMHO.
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« Reply #72 on: January 11, 2019, 07:05:15 AM »

Obama declared an emergency over a flu virus.  In fact he declared 12 emergencies, and we're under 31 given what past presidents have declared.   I should think the current border situation should qualify if a flu virus does.

OTOH,  it does make one a bit cynical of .... "emergencies." THIRTY ONE   emergencies? ? ? ? Tinfoil Hat Smiley
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« Reply #73 on: January 11, 2019, 07:22:21 AM »

Folks, I don't watch the news- can one of you please tell me what Trump is trying to get?  1.6 billion or whatever isn't enough to fund The Wall.Huh?
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« Reply #74 on: January 11, 2019, 08:00:35 AM »

Folks, I don't watch the news- can one of you please tell me what Trump is trying to get?  1.6 billion or whatever isn't enough to fund The Wall.Huh?

His latest ôopening offerö is 5 billion.
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