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« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2019, 08:21:41 AM »

^^^As an enrolled tribal member, it is possible that the Indian Health Service is picking up the tab for care. Of course, the IHS is a government agency, so it is being paid for by government dollars one way or the other, I bet.
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« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2019, 08:31:13 AM »

^^^As an enrolled tribal member, it is possible that the Indian Health Service is picking up the tab for care. Of course, the IHS is a government agency, so it is being paid for by government dollars one way or the other, I bet.

Somewhere, somehow the government is paying, probably a combination of SS funds and IHS funds, and still the possibility of private pay depending on circumstances. I can almost guarantee if the IHS is paying there has to be another source of payment because they don't pay their bills very well in either money or in time. Whatever is being paid by the .gov  probably won't exceed Medicare guidelines so there will have to be supplemental money coming from somewhere.

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« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2019, 08:39:11 AM »

^^^As sort of a sidebar, we are seeing an increase in tribal members in our clinics over the past few weeks. A lot of the local outpatient IHS clinics have temporarily closed their doors due to the government shutdown.  Are IHS patients also enrolled in Medicaid, I wonder.  I know that we are still getting our Medicare and Medicaid patient bills paid by the Feds.
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« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2019, 08:46:24 AM »

^^^As sort of a sidebar, we are seeing an increase in tribal members in our clinics over the past few weeks. A lot of the local outpatient IHS clinics have temporarily closed their doors due to the government shutdown.  Are IHS patients also enrolled in Medicaid, I wonder.  I know that we are still getting our Medicare and Medicaid patient bills paid by the Feds.

From what I saw in the larger IHS service areas, AZ and MT, they push Medicare enrollment for those eligible to increase their access to health care. Almost all of them are like the VA patients, they have Medicare A but will not purchase Part B because they have the VA to use. The VA cannot bill Medicare for care giveso I would bet the IHS is the same way. They encourage enrollment in case the patient needs health care away from the vicinity of a VA facility. I would imagine it is the same for IHS even though the IHS won't bill Medicare for the care they give to their patients they will encourage enrollment.

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« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2019, 08:55:44 AM »

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So, you are in favor of euthanasia if the government is on the hook for prolonged care of a person's body if the mind has stopped functioning and there is no other source of funding? Is it OK if we keep the ones with private pay alive because it isn't costing the .gov (we the people) any money? Just trying to get a handle on the ground rules here. Do we then extend these rules to people with advanced dementia because they also need tons of care on the .gov dime?

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I'm not in favor of euthanasia for anyone.  No one is talking about chemically induced assisted suicide.  Nor state mandate that if you can't pay, you must be euthanized.

However I'm also not in favor of any government subsidized healthcare at all.  If you can't pay, or can't find a charity willing to pay, then no health care for you.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2019, 09:05:54 AM »


I'm not in favor of euthanasia for anyone.  No one is talking about chemically induced assisted suicide.  Nor state mandate that if you can't pay, you must be euthanized.


However I'm also not in favor of any government subsidized healthcare at all.  If you can't pay, or can't find a charity willing to pay, then no health care for you.

Well, that would certainty solve or decrease a bunch of other social problems, such as homelessness and over crowding of schools seeing how appx 35% or so of the US population has been on the .gov teat for health care recently. Without them receiving health care we could expect the mortality to increase among that population which would decrease the population somewhat and with it the problems brought on by too many people. It would also decrease the .gov healthcare budget and they could use the money for other programs. Sounds like a win/win. Wink

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« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2019, 10:53:37 AM »

I can't begin to adequately describe my revulsion for the kind of sicko pervert that would do that to a comatose patient - were it up to me, once positively identified there'd be no torture, but he'd just be put down like a mad dog.

But is anyone else disturbed by the issuance of a warrant to DNA test an entire group of people (I haven't seen the actual numbers affected) because one among them is suspected to be the miscreant involved? I can see this kind of thing getting out of hand real easily.
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2019, 11:29:12 AM »

I can't begin to adequately describe my revulsion for the kind of sicko pervert that would do that to a comatose patient - were it up to me, once positively identified there'd be no torture, but he'd just be put down like a mad dog.

But is anyone else disturbed by the issuance of a warrant to DNA test an entire group of people (I haven't seen the actual numbers affected) because one among them is suspected to be the miscreant involved? I can see this kind of thing getting out of hand real easily.

This isn't an unusual investigative technique from what I understand. I have a feeling that if they needed search warrants for uncooperative employees in order to compel a DNA test it would have been fairly simple given the nature and circumstances of the crime.

I have a much greater issue with police departments using publically available DNA databases, finding a distant relative that is a close match and then target every one of that person's close relatives in obtaining cast off items that may provide them some DNA. For some reason that doesn't sit well with me.

Just one of several recently: https://abcnews.go.com/US/dna-napkin-led-arrest-cold-case-1986-rape/story?id=56139536

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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2019, 11:41:59 AM »

Ever since I read 'The Blooding' by Joseph Wambaugh, I have been interested in the concept of forensic DNA testing, and I am amazed at how it has expanded: both to free the innocent and to convict the guilty.
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« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2019, 11:52:59 AM »

Well, that would certainty solve or decrease a bunch of other social problems, such as homelessness and over crowding of schools seeing how appx 35% or so of the US population has been on the .gov teat for health care recently. Without them receiving health care we could expect the mortality to increase among that population which would decrease the population somewhat and with it the problems brought on by too many people. It would also decrease the .gov healthcare budget and they could use the money for other programs. Sounds like a win/win. Wink

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I think you would find that most of that number would come up with the money if they had to and wouldn't be hurting that much doing it. 

Also, if the Govt and 3rd parties weren't subsidizing everyone, the market would find a way to serve those people at a reasonable rate. 
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« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2019, 12:56:58 PM »

But is anyone else disturbed by the issuance of a warrant to DNA test an entire group of people (I haven't seen the actual numbers affected) because one among them is suspected to be the miscreant involved? I can see this kind of thing getting out of hand real easily.

The warrant is limited in scope to the male employees (females are exempted, but que triggered LGBTMNOPQRSTUV activists in 5..4...3..2), and only male employees.   If they expand it too much beyond that, or to include maybe male visitors,  it's still fairly limited in scope.  It's not like they are testing every male in a ten block radius.
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2019, 01:00:49 PM »

Also it could well be that that those still employed are being compelled by the employer more so than the police.

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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2019, 01:44:17 PM »

But is anyone else disturbed by the issuance of a warrant to DNA test an entire group of people...

I am.  I'd like to read the arguments, the judge's opinion, and other case law that might concern similar cases.

It seems to me that unless there is already some evidence that points to this group of people, other than being male, then this search order is reaching way too far.  Does the hospital have a record of every person who entered that room?  Can the hospital prove that only this group of males entered that room?  Are any other males who had access to the patient included in the search warrant?
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« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2019, 03:06:13 PM »

The warrant is limited in scope to the male employees (females are exempted, but que triggered LGBTMNOPQRSTUV activists in 5..4...3..2), and only male employees.   If they expand it too much beyond that, or to include maybe male visitors,  it's still fairly limited in scope.  It's not like they are testing every male in a ten block radius.

What happens if they have a trans female employee that hasn't been surgically altered mutilated yet, can they force her to submit to DNA testing?
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