Traditonal Masculinity is Officially Harmful

[Ben]

As per the American Psychological Association.

Interesting that, depending on if you're a creationist or evolutionist, masculinity has been around for tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of years and doing just fine, but now it's suddenly harmful.

Heil feminism! All men please report to the "showers".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/01/07/war-on-men-research-finds-that-traditional-masculinity-like-avoiding-vegetables-is-on-the-whole-harmful/

[lee n. field]

[BlueStarLizzard]

... Since when is not eating vegetables a traditional part of masculinity? 

 

[Ben]

... Since when is not eating vegetables a traditional part of masculinity? 

 

I think they threw that in as a bonus to tell people to give up meat. That way they can tie masculinity to "OMG global warming" too. 

[just Warren]

I'm so masculine that my globals are always warming.

[Ron]

Homosexual attraction and gender confusion = normal

Traditional masculinity = harmful

Our society is becoming increasingly disconnected from reality.

[RoadKingLarry]

I'm finding this more relevant with each passing day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-v1TTUyhM

[Perd Hapley]

Homosexual attraction and gender confusion = normal

Traditional masculinity = harmful

Our society is becoming increasingly disconnected from reality.

Pretty much.

Is acting like a man always harmful? For example, if a man was misidentified as a female at birth, but now lives as the man he has always truly been, is that harmful?

[Andiron]

Homosexual attraction and gender confusion = normal

Traditional masculinity = harmful

Our society is becoming increasingly disconnected from reality.

Captain Picard FTW

https://youtu.be/moX3z2RJAV8

THERE ARE ONLY 4 LIGHTS!

[Hawkmoon]

Here's the crux of the problem, I think:

The main thrust of the subsequent research is that traditional masculinity — marked by stoicism, competitiveness, dominance and aggression — is, on the whole, harmful. Men socialized in this way are less likely to engage in healthy behaviors.

They seem to be confused as to what constitutes genuine traditional masculinity. I don't think my grandfather, my father, or my uncles (with one notable exception) would ever have been considered "girly-men," but they were most certainly not domineering or aggressive. They were, to use an outmoded word, "gentlemen." They didn't pick fights. They didn't intentionally insult people. They held doors open for women, children, and anyone older than themselves. They played sports to play sports, not to win at all costs. But they all stepped up to the plate when the occasion arose. My grandfather was of Scottish ancestry. When WW1 broke out, he didn't wait for the U.S. to enter the war -- he went to Scotland and enlisted in the Black Watch regiment. (He was subsequently mustered out for a medical problem, which he regretted for the rest of his life.) My father, both his brothers, my mother's brother, and the husband of my mother's younger sister ALL served in WW2.

I don't accept that the four attributes they assign to traditional masculinity are either traditional, or representative of true masculinity.

[T.O.M.]

I agree with Hawk.  The article seems to stereotype men as stoic, competitive, dominant, and aggressive, and then immediately concludes that these attributes are negative.  I may agree that the combination of all four attributes, left unchecked, can be a bad thing.  But it is foolish to conclude that anyone, male or female, who shows competitiveness or aggressiveness in some contexts is somehow wrong.  A competitive athlete who aggressively pursues goals is admirable.  A warrior who is aggressive in battle is, dare I say, necessary.  A business leader who fails to assert dominance in a meeting is doomed.

Frankly, the article, like so many written and published these days, oversimplifies the situation.  I don't need to be spoon fed what you think is important, thank you (or is that too aggressive on my part???)

[Ron]

I agree with Hawk.  The article seems to stereotype men as stoic, competitive, dominant, and aggressive, and then immediately concludes that these attributes are negative.  I may agree that the combination of all four attributes, left unchecked, can be a bad thing.  But it is foolish to conclude that anyone, male or female, who shows competitiveness or aggressiveness in some contexts is somehow wrong.  A competitive athlete who aggressively pursues goals is admirable.  A warrior who is aggressive in battle is, dare I say, necessary.  A business leader who fails to assert dominance in a meeting is doomed.

Frankly, the article, like so many written and published these days, oversimplifies the situation.  I don't need to be spoon fed what you think is important, thank you (or is that too aggressive on my part???)

The research is where the oversimplification took place.

This is advocate science. Science that fits the accepted narrative. Probably all about getting money or grants.

[brimic]

... Since when is not eating vegetables a traditional part of masculinity? 

 

Spinach is about the only green thing I'll eat. There's no point in eating lettuce or lettuce-like vegetables- it either has no nutritional value, is contaminated with improperly composted feces from 'organic farming', or both...

[brimic]

After S.M.O.D. or the great plague hits, traditional masculinity will be valuable commodity again.

[makattak]

After S.M.O.D. or the great plague hits, traditional masculinity will be valuable commodity again.

Or, if the US loses its position as global hegemon and the world descends into its normal status of conquering powers taking over smaller ones and skirmishing with one another.

It's funny how most people in the West think the past 70-ish years is the "normal" state of the world.

[BlueStarLizzard]

Spinach is about the only green thing I'll eat. There's no point in eating lettuce or lettuce-like vegetables- it either has no nutritional value, is contaminated with improperly composted feces from 'organic farming', or both...

My Dad loves spinach. He'll also go to town on cabbage, green beans, peas and carrots. Also, while technically a fruit, he loves tomatoes. And he could probably be a poster boy for traditional masculinity, minus the sports.

And my step father could probably consume an entire produce section in a grocery store if you let him. While not as stereo-typically traditionally masculine as most others, Eric isn't a frou frou either.