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Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« on: January 08, 2019, 02:33:42 PM »
https://www.webmd.com/diabetes/news/20190108/diet-soda-linked-to-risk-for-diabetic-blindness?src=RSS_PUBLIC#1

With the City of Seattle's sugar soda tax, diet soda consumption has gone up in the Seattle area. Will Seattleites be shambling around with white canes in a few years?
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Re: Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2019, 03:47:08 PM »
So, is the soda the cause, or is the soda a crutch used by diabetic individuals with a poor dietary regimen as way to rationalize their more harmful dietary choices?

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Re: Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2019, 03:48:57 PM »
I cut diet coke out entirely a few months back. Not surprisingly, I feel less hungry and all around better.
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Quote from: Angel Eyes on August 09, 2018, 01:56:15 AM
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Re: Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2019, 04:34:12 PM »
That study is pretty good... except for the gaping conceptual flaw in its hypothesis, the Evel Kneivel leaps of logic in the conclusion, and the generally piss-poor adherence to a reasonable level of empiricism.

Translation: It's a pile of predeterministic crap that violates the first rule of statistical research. (Correlation ≠ Causation)

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In summary, our findings suggest that high consumption of diet soft drink is independently associated with increased risk of PDR in patients with diabetes. Our study adds to the growing body of evidence reporting on the harmful effect of artificially sweetened beverages on a range of health outcomes.

They even say it right in the conclusion... the consumption of diet soft drinks is an independent variable. There is no established dependency between the variable and the result, only a simple association. You could just as legitimately say that the consumption of water is associated with increased risk of PDR. So what do they do? In the very next sentence go right to the "well this adds to the evidence that artificial sweeteners are de debbil!".

Given the proliferation of low-calorie beverage choices I would have been absolutely stunned if there wasn't a highly significant statistical link between consumption of low-calorie beverages and people with diabetes-related illnesses. They're testing a single variable which has an inherent association with the behavior in question, so close to 1:1 that the likelihood of finding a diabetic who hasn't consumed an artificially sweetened beverage is essentially zero. That's like testing the link between breathing air and dying.

What they did wasn't research, it was a predetermined result in search of just enough study to ostensibly legitimize their position. They haven't provided, in any way, shape, or form, a single iota of evidence that there is causality involved. A responsible researcher would have ended their summary with something like "We see an association between the consumption of artificially sweetened beverages and PDR. However, this association is independent and should be treated as such pending additional research into confirmation or denial of dependent association."  

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« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 11:31:03 AM by Brad Johnson »
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Re: Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2019, 05:02:44 PM »
So Brad, I am guessing you must drink a lot of diet soda.
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Re: Stop that or you'll go blind: Diet Coke edition
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2019, 05:26:33 PM »
Nope. My beverages of choice are coffee, water, and beer. I just hate sloppy research.

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