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More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« on: January 14, 2019, 09:32:28 PM »
This stuff continues to spiral deeper into the crazy abyss.
Sell your *expletive deleted*ing product on it's merits and leave the preaching to the ministry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2019, 09:35:43 PM »
I guess this approach would make sense if they were selling a new line of surgical blades in a Self-gelding KitTM.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2019, 10:09:19 PM »
The problem is that their marketing people have determined that there's a large market out there made up of squishy, "woke" millennial types who actually believe this "toxic masculinity" stuff. The Brits are even targeting them in military recruiting.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2019, 10:40:08 PM »
Looks like I'm going to be shopping new razor blades. 

Sucks,  I've used mach 3's forever.

*expletive deleted*ing SJWs.  Stuff like this makes me think the reckoning can't happen soon enough.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2019, 09:59:21 AM »
Looks like I'm going to be shopping new razor blades. 

Sucks,  I've used mach 3's forever.

*expletive deleted*ing SJWs.  Stuff like this makes me think the reckoning can't happen soon enough.

I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2019, 10:21:22 AM »
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.
I was member for a year or so.  After accumulating a pile of blade packs, I shut it down.  Still have 2 or 3 packs of blades left a year or two later.  I am not sure if I will start back up with them after I am done or try something else.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2019, 10:24:33 AM »
I am not responsible for the behavior of all men.  I refuse to accept group responsibility.  I doubt there is any point in addressing each item they talk about.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2019, 10:30:09 AM »
While I have been wrong about this stuff before, this seems like a really stupid marketing move for Gillette. It seems to me that the majority of their "user base" is "average guys" who just shave because they have to, choose some disposable that works for them, and that's that. They are sports game on Saturdays, likely blue collar, and somewhat apolitical.

Hitting them with the "men are bad" thing is not going to endear them to Gillette. It's going to likely make them political enough to react in the way many of us do when we are nagged by the SJW scolds.

The kind of guy that will embrace this is a hipster beardy, or somebody that uses some classic or whatever hip shaving technique*, and they aren't buying Gillette products anyway.


*Full disclosure, I'm a safety razor  and once in a while straight razor guy myself. I just have a pretty much rest of my life supply Israeli blades, so will also never buy a Gillette razor or blades.  
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2019, 11:35:52 AM »
I shall avoid this company's products as they are so restrictive and binary in their "gender" descriptions.

Any company that limits to two "genders" and fails to recognize the vast "gender" spectrum clearly demonstrates a closed minded attitude that I must take exception to.

I am so open minded about "gender" that I follow all Facebook "gender"  descriptions:

Agender
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Bigender
Cis
Cisgender
Cis Female
Cis Male
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Cis Woman
Cisgender Female
Cisgender Male
Cisgender Man
Cisgender Woman
Female to Male
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Gender Questioning
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Neither
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Trans Person
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #9 on: January 15, 2019, 11:39:52 AM »
I'm not changing my razor brand because the company that makes them made an @$$hat marketing decision.......



..... it will only prompt the brand I switch to to make an even @$$hattier decision ...... [tinfoil] [popcorn]   :old: :old:
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2019, 12:55:47 PM »
This stuff continues to spiral deeper into the crazy abyss.
Sell your *expletive deleted*ing product on it's merits and leave the preaching to the ministry.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/p-g-challenges-men-to-shave-their-toxic-masculinity-in-gillette-ad-11547467200

Real toxically masculine men don't shave.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2019, 02:43:30 PM »
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.

This. Get the shave butter too. 
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #12 on: January 15, 2019, 02:53:19 PM »
Real toxically masculine men don't shave.

Damn straight! =D
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #13 on: January 15, 2019, 03:16:55 PM »
I've been reading the SJW reaction and it really highlights their inability to have empathy for anyone not exactly like them. That they are unable to do simple things like replace "male" with "female" or "black" and see how it would be received.

"BUT all the ad is doing is saying don't do bad things! How is that offensive!"

"It's not talking about ALL men, it's just saying that some men do bad things!"

"If you're not doing that kind of stuff, the ad isn't talking about you!"

Ok, Ms. SJW, now do the same with an ad targeting black people.

Despite your beliefs, the normal American isn't a moron and he will recognize double standards and hypocrisy.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #14 on: January 15, 2019, 03:43:32 PM »
I've been reading the SJW reaction and it really highlights their inability to have empathy for anyone not exactly like them. That they are unable to do simple things like replace "male" with "female" or "black" and see how it would be received.

"BUT all the ad is doing is saying don't do bad things! How is that offensive!"

"It's not talking about ALL men, it's just saying that some men do bad things!"

"If you're not doing that kind of stuff, the ad isn't talking about you!"

Ok, Ms. SJW, now do the same with an ad targeting black people.

Despite your beliefs, the normal American isn't a moron and he will recognize double standards and hypocrisy.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #15 on: January 15, 2019, 04:14:40 PM »
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.  The only minor downside is the "club" part.  I end up with more replacement blades than I really need, but it's easy enough to cancel or suspend my account for a while.  It is more convenient to have them shipped to me though, so it's a wash.

Going to have to give that a look.  My problem is a 20 pack from Sam's Club lasts me close to 18 months, so I've got a while to decide.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #16 on: January 15, 2019, 06:15:54 PM »
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #17 on: January 15, 2019, 06:25:10 PM »
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

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Yeah, sorry, I watched it too and call me triggered, but if they mention "me too", that to me anymore equals "Kavanaughed", and that makes them the douches.

There are any number of ways they could have gotten across, "Ride, shoot straight, and speak the truth", but they chose the SJW way. Which actually spits in the face of men being raised to be honorable, because honorable = toxic masculinity in newspeak.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #18 on: January 15, 2019, 06:59:14 PM »
I thought we all switched to DE razors years ago.  =)

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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #19 on: January 15, 2019, 07:17:08 PM »
Eh. Having watched the ad, I'm having a hard time feeling outraged. Don't be a *expletive deleted*che and call other men that are being a *expletive deleted*che. It's not like they're saying real men eat organic tofu granola and sit when the pee.

But then maybe I'm just not prone to being triggered.

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Meh. I can see why a lot of guys would be offended. The message is pretty heavy handed and it paints the world as having more bad guys than good.

I'd say a series of ads, each addressing a different type of nasty behavior, slightly lighter in tone, would have gone over better. Have the good guy be the clean shaven hero and the bad guy is scruffy. Make your sale, send a message and you don't have to offend over half your customer base to do it. 
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #21 on: January 15, 2019, 08:24:39 PM »
This keeps happening all over. SJW types invade a company, think the world, (and their customer base) thinks like them, then they promulgate opinions that get them pats on the back from their own kind, but are so out of touch with their customer base that they don't realize they are biting the hand that feeds them. A great example is videogames. Videogame studios are being infiltrated by SJW types who think that their job is to police thoughts instead of make games that their target audience wants. So instead of making games that engage with the fantasies of their very distinctly male audience, they basically ruin the games. The SJW types aren't even the ones that are buying the games, so appeasing them wins the company nothing, it just drives off their actual customers, and the SJWs are emboldened and move on to screw up someone else. Like razor companies, apparently.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #22 on: January 15, 2019, 09:05:48 PM »
Real toxically masculine men don't shave.

Real toxically masculine men pound their whiskers back in with a hammer and bite them off on the inside.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 09:12:38 PM »
I've been using the 4-blade from Dollar Shave Club for quite a while now.  They're good quality, excellent price, and really quite durable.

Gillette priced me out of being a customer many years ago, so the ad doesn't matter much in my case.  Reading about it online, it does sound like they've alienated over half their customer base.
I've been using Dollar Shave Club for several years now and found their blades to be pretty good.  I frequently get two weeks of shaves out of one of their blades.  Of course, I've managed to store enough blades at this point to last me for a couple of years.
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Re: More "toxic masculinity" bullsqueeze
« Reply #24 on: January 15, 2019, 09:15:31 PM »
I am not responsible for the behavior of all men.  I refuse to accept group responsibility.  I doubt there is any point in addressing each item they talk about.

See, that's the thing.  The SJWs clump human critters into groups.  Individuality for them is a mortal sin.  That's why the Left/Progressive/Statist individuals are so dangerous to the Republic and Western Civilization in general.  They DO NOT accept individualism and the concept of individual liberty.  It's all about groups to them.  If anything is toxic it is the SJW religion.  The second problem is that not many people actually understand, or believe that about those individuals who have also clumped themselves into their own group, the SJW group.

As for Gillette, meh.  I use a Norelco wet/dry shaver in the shower.  I buy some throwaway shavers at the Dollar General.  I get about 6 or 8 of 'em for a dollar.  I get 4 or 5 shaves out of them when I use them now and then.
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