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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2019, 10:46:21 AM »
I don't think it is Maduro fleeing with his retirement account.  My bet is that Russia said, "You owe us billions and we are coming to collect.  Have the gold ready to load on Wednesday, comrade."
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2019, 10:51:54 AM »
I don't think it is Maduro fleeing with his retirement account.  My bet is that Russia said, "You owe us billions and we are coming to collect.  Have the gold ready to load on Wednesday, comrade."

That's a good point. They might fear a new government might default on that debt.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2019, 10:54:34 AM »
I don't think it is Maduro fleeing with his retirement account.  My bet is that Russia said, "You owe us billions and we are coming to collect.  Have the gold ready to load on Wednesday, comrade."

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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2019, 12:53:07 PM »
True, but some of that crew should really be put against a wall, vs having a bank account and hammock in the Caymans, where they'll be drinking rum and figuring out how to get it right "next time".

If any of them get out with the money doubtless they'll think it went right this time.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2019, 07:49:50 PM »
From Task and Purpose today:

What The Hell Is Going On In Venezuela? An Explanation.

Beloved readers: Your friend and humble Pentagon correspondent has been spending the last week trying to figure out why in the name of the Risen Mattis that Venezuela has suddenly become a national security hotspot.

As far as your dimwitted reporter can determine, neither the Taliban nor Al Qaeda nor ISIS have established a caliphate in the Bolivarian Republic. None of North Korea’s nuclear weapons or ballistic missile facilities have been moved south of the border. And Caracas is the one place where Iranian Maj. Gen. Qasem Soleimani has not taken a selfie – yet.

But the Trump administration, seemingly unfulfilled dealing with these simultaneous crises all over the world, is now committed to helping the Venezuelan people pass a gigantic kidney stone known as Nicolas Maduro, the dictator who has ruled the country since former Jefe In Chief Hugo Chavez went to the great socialist revolution in the sky in 2013.

Under Maduro’s inspired leadership, the Venezuelan economy has been in a state of collapse for nearly five years. Inflation is set to top 10 million percent this year and most Venezuelans cannot get food, fuel, or medical care. (Maduro was recently awarded the Comrade Spenser Rapone Award for Excellence in Socialism.)

Maduro was declared the winner of Venezuela’s presidential election in May – which made Chicago’s mayoral elections look like Athenian democracy – yet the country’s opposition as well as several countries have condemned the process as rigged.

Fidel Castro Jr. – sorry – Maduro was supposed to begin his latest presidential term on Jan. 10, but the National Assembly, Venezuela’s Congress, has declared his voided his election and opposition leader Juan Guaidó has declared himself president of an interim government.

On Jan. 23, President Donald Trump officially recognized Guaidó as Venezuela’s legitimate leader and vowed to, “use the full weight of United States economic and diplomatic power to press for the restoration of Venezuelan democracy.”

When asked later that day if he was considering using the U.S. military in Venezuela, Trump replied, “We're not considering anything, but all options are on the table.”

Trump had a phone call with Guaidó on Wednesday, “To congratulate him on his historic assumption of the presidency and to reinforce President Trump’s strong support for Venezuela’s fight to regain its democracy,” according to the White House.

Now comes the question you’ve all been waiting for: Will the United States invade Venezuela? From what your humble correspondent has been able to find out so far, no invasion force is massing to launch Bay of Pigs II: Electric Boogaloo. (This happens to be the title of Spenser Rapone’s mixtape, BTW.)

“State and Treasury are taking a significant number of steps to recognize the National Assembly and President Guaido,” Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan told reporters on Tuesday. “We are supporting, we're monitoring the situation very carefully and we're watching.  And we are working very much in real time, so.”

Shanahan did not comment on National Security Adviser John Bolton’s massive OPSEC fail the day before, when “5,000 troops to Colombia” was clearly visible on his legal pad during a White House briefing.

“I haven't discussed that with [Ambassador] Bolton,” Shanahan said.

It is extremely unlikely that the president would deploy troops to Venezuela, said retired Army Gen. Barry McCaffrey, former head of U.S. Southern Command.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, Acting Defense Secretary Patrick Shanahan, and Chairman of Joint Chiefs of Staff Marine Gen. Joseph Dunford would all probably resign if the president ordered a military intervention in Venezuela, McCaffrey told Task & Purpose.

“It would also turn into a fight,” McCaffrey said. “I’ve had a lot of contact with the Venezuelan armed forces and national police. There’s no reason to expect that if a foreign power invaded Venezuela they wouldn’t fight.”

McCaffrey said he also doubts think that Trump is manufacturing a foreign crisis to distract people from his political problems, such as the ongoing investigation into alleged ties between Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign and Russian intelligence.

“I don’t think the White House staff said: ‘Hey, we can get a war going in Venezuela. It will throw manure on your trail,’” McCaffrey said.

However, the potential for conflict remains because the U.S. government has refused Maduro’s demands to close the U.S. embassy in Venezuela and remove all diplomats, he added.

The Maduro regime initially told U.S. diplomats to leave the country within 72 hours, but it later backed down and allowed the embassy to remain open as it establishes a U.S. Interests Office in Venezuela.

On Jan. 24, the State Department ordered all non-emergency employees and family members of U.S. embassy personnel to leave the country, a State Department spokesperson told Task & Purpose.

“We have no plans to close the embassy,” the spokesperson said. “The United States will maintain diplomatic relations with Venezuela through the government of interim President Guaido, who has invited our mission to remain in Venezuela.”

If the United States can force Maduro to step down, it will have removed a fierce opponent in Latin America who has allied himself with both Cuba and Russia, which recently sent strategic bombers to the country – nearly decapitating an eager Russian TV reporter.

McCaffrey praised the U.S. government’s strategy of citing a provision in the Venezuela’s own constitution that allows the National Assembly  leader to declare himself president as justification for recognizing Guaidó as the country’s legitimate leader.

“I thought this was really quite inspired – there’s no way Trump came up with it,” McCaffrey said. “It was a brilliant move. If they follow it to its extreme, it looks to me as if it may mean in the coming 90 days there’s going to be a collapse of the government.”
 

Jeff Schogol covers the Pentagon for Task & Purpose. He has covered the military for 13 years and embedded with U.S. troops in Iraq and Haiti. Prior to joining T&P, he covered the Marine Corps and Air Force at Military Times. Comments or thoughts to share? Send them to Jeff Schogol via email at schogol@taskandpurpose.com or direct message @JeffSchogol on Twitter.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #30 on: February 01, 2019, 11:07:22 PM »
I think Bolton’s legal pad misstep was intentional.


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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #31 on: February 03, 2019, 08:12:21 AM »
Maduro better get out of Dodge, the US Empire has spoken.

At least Venezuela is in our corner of the world.

I don’t know if it was here or someplace else, but I read the play here is to get our guy in charge and ramp up oil production to drive the price of oil even lower.

This is a tactic to hurt Russia’s oil based economy even further.

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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #32 on: February 03, 2019, 01:14:02 PM »
It will take a while (possibly years) to get VZ oil production back up to pre-Chavez levels.  Pretty much everything needs to be replaced due to lack or maintenance and vandalism over the past few years.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #33 on: February 03, 2019, 01:16:25 PM »
It will take a while (possibly years) to get VZ oil production back up to pre-Chavez levels.  Pretty much everything needs to be replaced due to lack or maintenance and vandalism over the past few years.

I would be very curious to see, if ever an accurate report came out, just how much damage was caused by the turnover from competent foreigners to "the people". I suspect it is very Ayn Rand-ish.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #34 on: February 04, 2019, 11:29:39 AM »
I think Bolton’s legal pad misstep was intentional.


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I'm pretty sure it was photoshopped.  Someone I know happened to have watched the press conference where this "leak" supposedly occurred and had screenshots.  None of them showed anything similar to what the news "article" showed. 

It's scary how blatant and obvious the MSM has become in literally faking images and pushing an agenda.  Scary and dangerous.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #35 on: February 04, 2019, 11:59:50 AM »
I would be very curious to see, if ever an accurate report came out, just how much damage was caused by the turnover from competent foreigners to "the people". I suspect it is very Ayn Rand-ish.

There have been speculative reports based on known maintenance requirements, statements from people who used to work at the plants, etc.

Essentially, it boils down to "if they don't start putting money into the infrastructure NOW the Venezuelan oil industry will pretty much cease to exist and have to be rebuilt from the ground up."

Chavez's approach to management of the oil industry was nothing short of disastrous.

His first step was to finalize nationalization of the industry (nationalization started in the 1970s), both in ownership and management, which often involved putting his buds in charge of stuff that they knew nothing about, and those people then put THEIR buds in charge of the next level down... And each level is rife with not only incompetence but also graft and corruption.

We keep hearing about how bad Crony Capitalism is, but it's nothing compared to Crony Socialism.

His next step was to look at all the money that the government was spending on required maintenance and say "Why waste that money when I can use it to give the people the free *expletive deleted*it they need to keep me in power?"

This article is a year old at this point, and the situation has not improved...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-low-can-venezuelan-oil-production-go



This article is even more damning, and it's more recent.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/01/29/charting-the-decline-of-venezuelas-oil-industry/#2f6146f64ecd



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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #36 on: February 04, 2019, 01:45:34 PM »
Man, people are so off the rails with TDS it's just mind-blowing. Pretty much every free country in the world has backed regime change, but somehow this has all become a "Trump Coup" against poor Dear Leader.

Shut up and sing/act.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/02/04/people-are-dying-roger-waters-shredded-for-this-take-on-the-trump-coup-in-venezuela/

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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #37 on: February 04, 2019, 04:24:40 PM »
Man, people are so off the rails with TDS it's just mind-blowing. Pretty much every free country in the world has backed regime change, but somehow this has all become a "Trump Coup" against poor Dear Leader.

Shut up and sing/act.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/02/04/people-are-dying-roger-waters-shredded-for-this-take-on-the-trump-coup-in-venezuela/

Sometimes I'd like to pound my head against a wall.  I have friends and acquaintances who are fairly smart and educated people.  The are so deep into TDS that it boggles the mind.  Virtually every derogatory remark about Trump is either flat out false or partially false leaning to the hateful comment category without any basis in truth.  Yes, Trump has philandered.  Yes, he is not a very good speaker.  Yes, he is blunt.  Yes, he appears to talk about a thing today that varies from what he said about the subject yesterday.  (I sometimes wonder if he has ADHD)  Yes, he doesn't have a network of Deep State people who can help him correctly judge who should be appointed to various and sundry positions.  By correct definition, though, he is not a bigot.  He is not a misogynist, he is not racist.  He is a savvy billionaire businessbeing who is used to having his minions do as he says.  I do suspect he accepts counsel, though perhaps what he decides is a blend of what his gut tells him and the advice he gets.
 
If Trump would go down in history for only one thing it would be how he exposed the corruption in the media, the D party and portions of the R party as well as the deep state bureaucracy.

Venezuela has and is crumbling into anarchy and despotism and those who should know and understand that, don't or won't.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #38 on: February 04, 2019, 06:00:18 PM »
Sometimes I'd like to pound my head against a wall.  I have friends and acquaintances who are fairly smart and educated people.  The are so deep into TDS that it boggles the mind.  Virtually every derogatory remark about Trump is either flat out false or partially false leaning to the hateful comment category without any basis in truth.  Yes, Trump has philandered.  Yes, he is not a very good speaker.  Yes, he is blunt.  Yes, he appears to talk about a thing today that varies from what he said about the subject yesterday.  (I sometimes wonder if he has ADHD)  Yes, he doesn't have a network of Deep State people who can help him correctly judge who should be appointed to various and sundry positions.  By correct definition, though, he is not a bigot.  He is not a misogynist, he is not racist.  He is a savvy billionaire businessbeing who is used to having his minions do as he says.  I do suspect he accepts counsel, though perhaps what he decides is a blend of what his gut tells him and the advice he gets.
 
If Trump would go down in history for only one thing it would be how he exposed the corruption in the media, the D party and portions of the R party as well as the deep state bureaucracy.

Venezuela has and is crumbling into anarchy and despotism and those who should know and understand that, don't or won't.
I have heard people comment on podcasts that a few years ago if someone talked about the Deep State, they would have thought they were crazy or a bit off the wall at the least.  Now, they see it as absolutely true.  I am sure not everyone thinks that, but I think there has been a big shift. 
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #39 on: February 04, 2019, 06:13:29 PM »
There have been speculative reports based on known maintenance requirements, statements from people who used to work at the plants, etc.

Essentially, it boils down to "if they don't start putting money into the infrastructure NOW the Venezuelan oil industry will pretty much cease to exist and have to be rebuilt from the ground up."

Chavez's approach to management of the oil industry was nothing short of disastrous.

His first step was to finalize nationalization of the industry (nationalization started in the 1970s), both in ownership and management, which often involved putting his buds in charge of stuff that they knew nothing about, and those people then put THEIR buds in charge of the next level down... And each level is rife with not only incompetence but also graft and corruption.

We keep hearing about how bad Crony Capitalism is, but it's nothing compared to Crony Socialism.

His next step was to look at all the money that the government was spending on required maintenance and say "Why waste that money when I can use it to give the people the free *expletive deleted*it they need to keep me in power?"

This article is a year old at this point, and the situation has not improved...

https://www.csis.org/analysis/how-low-can-venezuelan-oil-production-go



This article is even more damning, and it's more recent.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/rrapier/2019/01/29/charting-the-decline-of-venezuelas-oil-industry/#2f6146f64ecd




I thought I had seen something in the past about warehouses of spare parts being sold off by managers to pocket the money.  I was thinking that everyone with access would be selling whatever they could take for scrap, but I have no idea if there is a place to sell the scrap.  If it was open season on scrap being pulled out, all the small motor all the copper cable would be gone.  I imagine there are lots of valves and piping made from expensive alloys.  That doesn't even get to the stuff that is corroded and falling apart from misuse.  Cooling water circulation systems probably weren't shut down properly and all the heat exchangers and piping are rusted to hell.  I am sure an oil refinery has a lot of more corrosive chemicals I have no experience with.  Even if someone tried to stuff from being taken, it could still cost a huge amount to put it back into 100% shape. 
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #40 on: February 06, 2019, 10:37:54 AM »
"I thought I had seen something in the past about warehouses of spare parts being sold off by managers to pocket the money."

Under the people's socialism? NEVER!

Hundreds of millions worth of spares magically appeared on the secondary market in the mid 2000s when Maduro's buds started replacing people who knew what they were doing.


"I imagine there are lots of valves and piping made from expensive alloys."

Oh my god yeah. Highest quality stainless steel alloys, phosphor bronze alloys for valves and the like, titanium and titanium steel alloys...

And even if they only got pennies on the pound some of those fittings are hundreds of pounds....
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #41 on: February 24, 2019, 07:08:03 PM »
A little local news

Activists demonstrate against U.S. intervention in Venezuela at Big Four Bridge
http://www.wave3.com/2019/02/24/activists-demonstrate-against-us-intervention-venezuela-big-four-bridge/
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #42 on: February 24, 2019, 07:11:37 PM »
A little local news

Activists demonstrate against U.S. intervention in Venezuela at Big Four Bridge
http://www.wave3.com/2019/02/24/activists-demonstrate-against-us-intervention-venezuela-big-four-bridge/


I'm at a loss with this stuff. The dems and SJWs are trying to stop food and medical aid so they can "teach Trump a lesson" (never mind the 49 other countries that agree with him).

I just saw a newsclip this morning that showed aid trucks on fire, then segued to Maduro, who was dancing in the streets with his supporters.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #43 on: February 24, 2019, 07:35:09 PM »
Yeah, I don't understand it either.
Only think I can think of is TDS. If Orange man does it it is automatically  bad.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #44 on: February 24, 2019, 07:36:03 PM »
Yeah, I don't understand it either.
Only think I can think of is TDS. If Orange man does it it is automatically  bad.

So you do understand it.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2019, 07:44:17 PM »
Guess that's one way of looking at it.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2019, 11:31:35 PM »
Conspiracy Coworker says he's keeping out the globalists. Maduro's not going to let his country be vassal state of the Internationalist Joo-ish Bankers, by gum.
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #47 on: February 25, 2019, 12:02:59 AM »
Conspiracy Coworker says he's keeping out the globalists. Maduro's not going to let his country be vassal state of the Internationalist Joo-ish Bankers, by gum.


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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #48 on: February 25, 2019, 12:15:29 AM »
Except that doesn't explain why people have no food.  They fixed food prices then started seizing food and farms.  They can't even handle a basic farming economy.  Oil production is far out of reach. 
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Re: Venezuela Looks to be Getting Interesting
« Reply #49 on: February 25, 2019, 02:15:35 AM »
TDS is really bad on this.   Trump is the non-interventionist president.   He wants to reduce our involvement in the Mid-east.  He wants Europe (NATO) to pull more of their own load.  He wants peace with the Norks, to reduce our commitment on the peninsula.

The very last thing he's going to do is launch the 82nd Airborne into Caracas.
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Take women and children and bed them down.
Bless with a hard heart those that stand with me.
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Sweet memories to drive us on,
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