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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2019, 03:43:45 PM »
It's also interesting how many freedom lovers would be cool with eminent domain to build "the wall".

Why is that? National security issues like this are precisely why eminent domain was written into the constitution.
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2019, 03:55:49 PM »
The problem is that for examples like the "sea to shining sea" wall, it's actually Trump acolytes more so than TDS people that take that kind of thing literally. They really believe that when he says it, it's something that he can not only do, but do within their limited attention spans of a couple of years.

Not the at least 40-50 years such an endeavor would take if it were physically possible, both operationally and bureaucratically. Because eminent domain would tie such a thing up longer than construction. It's also interesting how many freedom lovers would be cool with eminent domain to build "the wall".

Had he started with strategic barriers and documentation of expert sources, Pelosi would have less of a foothold in the "immoral wall" argument. Also, honestly, I think Trump really did think he could build massive amounts of concrete wall when he first started talking about this. I do give him credit for stepping back and learning. I just wish he would quit saying "wall, wall, wall".

Also, wow! Talk about thread veer!  :laugh:

Pelosi and liberal Democrats oppose anything Trump wants.  It doesn't matter what it is.  Putting the blame back on Trump for his rhetoric is pointless. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 04:06:16 PM »
Why is that? National security issues like this are precisely why eminent domain was written into the constitution.

Because people almost always seem to get screwed on pennies on the dollar on these deals, and the amount of land that would have to be purchased at full market value for a "complete" wall would be astronomical. It's easy to say eminent domain is applicable when it's not your ox being gored. Just like, "Ban semi-autos!  I don't have one and it's for the children!"
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« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 04:12:23 PM »

Pelosi and liberal Democrats oppose anything Trump wants.  It doesn't matter what it is.  Putting the blame back on Trump for his rhetoric is pointless. 

Why? Our side did it with Obama. Words matter.

Look, like someone else here said, if we didn't have Trump, Hillary would be president. I like a lot of the stuff he has done, but I'm not a giddy schoolgirl hoping he'll ask me to the prom. If he does something I disagree with, I'm going to say so. I keep hearing the whole "Everyone is playing checkers while Trump is 27 moves ahead in three dimensional chess!". No. He has some good ideas, but sometimes he does stupid stuff too, and if I defend the stupid crap he says and does, then I'm no better than the people who treated Obama like the Messiah.
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« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 04:38:14 PM »
C’mon Charby, where’s that American “can do!” spirit?


Okay, lets start a labor movement and bring union membership back. You hire cheap illegal labor, oops someone burnt your house and factory down.
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2019, 04:42:28 PM »
One tires of the oft-repeated talking point about illegals supposedly being less violent than citizens. Whether or not it's true, it's an absurd and unfeeling rejoinder. If I'm robbed by an illegal alien, would stricter border controls mean that I would have been robbed by a fellow citizen, but worse? Of course not. Border controls might have kept me from being robbed, though. If Kate Steinle's killer hadn't been released, or hadn't been in the country, would she have been killed more violently by a citizen? No, she'd problably be alive and healthy today.

I will be glad for my tax dollars to go toward a wall/fence, even if it is completely symbolic. It would still be a better use of federal tax monies than unconstitutional programs, such the Dept. of Education, etc. So long as it gets the message across, to everyone, that our border is real, and that we control it - period.

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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2019, 05:28:07 PM »
If you really are the Christian you say you are, she was supposed to die that day, at that moment, and nothing would of stopped it.

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« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2019, 05:38:57 PM »

Aw, shucks. Looks like I've been living a lie.

What if you don't believe in the same God (or any God) as the author, do his words still matter? Does he speak for all Gods or only his God? If he speaks for other Gods why does he only quote the owners manual for Christianity?


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« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2019, 07:19:50 PM »
Why? Our side did it with Obama. Words matter.

Look, like someone else here said, if we didn't have Trump, Hillary would be president. I like a lot of the stuff he has done, but I'm not a giddy schoolgirl hoping he'll ask me to the prom. If he does something I disagree with, I'm going to say so. I keep hearing the whole "Everyone is playing checkers while Trump is 27 moves ahead in three dimensional chess!". No. He has some good ideas, but sometimes he does stupid stuff too, and if I defend the stupid crap he says and does, then I'm no better than the people who treated Obama like the Messiah.

I opposed Obama because of what he was doing, not because he was the one who was doing it.  Maybe I was alone in that. 

On Trump, I just don't assume he is stupid which some seem to do out of habit.  I think we have seen enough track record to stop making that assumption.  At the same time, I think he has made a lot of his critics and enemies look pretty foolish, and he has been very effective as a President.   

IMO, on that last it seems like you are saying is if you compliment Trump on wearing a nice tie, then that means you support everything else he says or does.  I don't worship the guy, I just like what he is doing and generally support him.  If you can't see the difference then I guess we just don't agree. 
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #35 on: February 06, 2019, 07:21:55 PM »
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« Reply #36 on: February 06, 2019, 11:32:14 PM »
That headline sucks.  I thought it meant the killer was found frozen to death. 

Me too. My heart really went out to the poor fellow.
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« Reply #37 on: February 06, 2019, 11:39:37 PM »
What if you don't believe in the same God (or any God) as the author, do his words still matter? Does he speak for all Gods or only his God? If he speaks for other Gods why does he only quote the owners manual for Christianity?

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What if a) that response is a category error on charby's part, and b) such fatalism is not exactly the only interpretation of Christianity? (And he was just trolling, anyway.)
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2019, 01:03:01 AM »
What if a) that response is a category error on charby's part, and b) such fatalism is not exactly the only interpretation of Christianity? (And he was just trolling, anyway.)

I was wasn't trolling, I found a small hole in your armor of your faith. You calling it trolling is a weak way to defend yourself. So speaking of faith, you've never really come out an said what "church" you belong to. I know your not a Catholic or Lutheran because you've poo poo both of them. So who you associate with?
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2019, 05:06:12 AM »
I was wasn't trolling, I found a small hole in your armor of your faith. You calling it trolling is a weak way to defend yourself. So speaking of faith, you've never really come out an said what "church" you belong to. I know your not a Catholic or Lutheran because you've poo poo both of them. So who you associate with?

And apparently not Presbyterian, as he just poo-poo'd your belief in per-ordaination.
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2019, 08:58:35 AM »
I was wasn't trolling, I found a small hole in your armor of your faith. You calling it trolling is a weak way to defend yourself. So speaking of faith, you've never really come out an said what "church" you belong to. I know your not a Catholic or Lutheran because you've poo poo both of them. So who you associate with?
I saw it as trolling.  You can call it what you want.  If you believe what you said, do you think murderers should be set free since they had no choice? 
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« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2019, 09:10:31 AM »
I was wasn't trolling, I found a small hole in your armor of your faith. You calling it trolling is a weak way to defend yourself. So speaking of faith, you've never really come out an said what "church" you belong to. I know your not a Catholic or Lutheran because you've poo poo both of them. So who you associate with?

As a matter of fact, you are trolling and are subscribing (well, no, you're just trolling) to a very narrow view of determinism.

Yes, she was meant to die right then. So, therefore, I should do nothing, ever in my life because I will die when I am supposed to and so will all these people murdered by illegal aliens.

BUT WAIT! Maybe Trump has been determined to build the wall and decease the number of illegal alien muderers. And maybe I am fated to support and defend him. So why are you fighting against that? God has determined it will happen, and you can do nothing about it. Just deal with the fact that fewer illegal aliens murderers will be here to do the murdering that Americans won't do.

Determinism is a highly difficult doctrine and its application is even harder. Especially when it's being done by someone who does not understand its implications, does not believe it anyway, and openly mocks it.
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« Reply #42 on: February 07, 2019, 09:15:48 AM »
If you can't see the difference then I guess we just don't agree. 

It's cool. At least it means we're not an echo chamber. :)
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« Reply #43 on: February 07, 2019, 09:18:13 AM »
It's cool. At least it means we're not an echo chamber. :)
How boring would that be?   =D
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Re: EMS agencies carrying weapons at work
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2019, 09:24:36 AM »
Mexico has a murder rate of about 20 per 100,000.

It seems highly unlikely to me that folks from Mexican culture reduce their violence to the same level of white people when they step over the border. 

But, I could be wrong.

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« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2019, 09:31:56 AM »
Mexico has a murder rate of about 20 per 100,000.

It seems highly unlikely to me that folks from Mexican culture reduce their violence to the same level of white people when they step over the border. 

But, I could be wrong.

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« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2019, 09:32:31 AM »
Mexico has a murder rate of about 20 per 100,000.

It seems highly unlikely to me that folks from Mexican culture reduce their violence to the same level of white people when they step over the border. 

But, I could be wrong.

Anyone else take Mexico's reported murder rate as accurate?
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« Reply #47 on: February 07, 2019, 09:34:38 AM »
Charby, if you actually have honest questions I can refer you to better sources of Theology than John Piper.
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« Reply #48 on: February 07, 2019, 10:07:18 AM »
I saw it as trolling.  You can call it what you want.  If you believe what you said, do you think murderers should be set free since they had no choice?  

No, they broke law (created by people) in the society that they live in. I do believe that God knows when you are going to die, of course we can't read God's mind to determine when exactly that will be. If it wasn't a murder, then a car wreck, heart attack, fall down the stairs, etc.
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« Reply #49 on: February 07, 2019, 10:08:34 AM »
I was wasn't trolling, I found a small hole in your armor of your faith. You calling it trolling is a weak way to defend yourself. So speaking of faith, you've never really come out an said what "church" you belong to. I know your not a Catholic or Lutheran because you've poo poo both of them. So who you associate with?

So if you're not trolling, then you really believe that Christians aren't supposed to use historical examples to inform ourselves about how government policies (or anything else) will affect people?

Or did you think I was suggesting that we go back in time (in clear violation of my supposed Christianity!), and deport all the illegals, to save Kate Steinle?

See, I really thought trolling was the more charitable explanation.

As for my religious affiliation, I was unaware the forum required such. I've listed my religious credentials in my profile. I hope that satisfies your requirements.
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