Here we go again - another mass shooting

[Hawkmoon]

In Aurora, Illinois.

http://www.newser.com/article/0d536cf3998344a097757f87832b6aca/employee-being-fired-fatally-shoots-5-co-workers-in-illinois.html

So I'll have to chase down the answers to my usual questions that the article didn't address: was the gun (or guns) obtained legally, and was the place a "gun free" zone?

[Ron]

Listened to the news last night driving home from work.

I was left with the impression he was a 15 year military veteran.

Read some articles this morning and they kept using “15 year veteran” but only specified a couple of times out of all the times the phrase was used that he was a 15 year veteran of the company.

Maybe he was a military vet or maybe not, but they sure were trying to make it seem they way.

*expletive deleted*ing lying fake news

[Ron]

Just ran across a report the handgun was a revolver.

Don’t see that very often in these events.

Looks like an ex con who moved up here from Mississippi, probably an illegally owned weapon.

[WLJ]

Just ran across a report the handgun was a revolver.

Don’t see that very often in these events.

Looks like an ex con who moved up here from Mississippi, probably an illegally owned weapon.

Keep reading in reports that he used a green laser. Here come the calls to ban lasers.
And revolver or not cue the knee jerk reaction calls for a magazine capacity ban.

[WLJ]

The I-Team has learned that Martin has a criminal background, and that he was convicted in 1995 for aggravated assault, a felony, in Mississippi and served two and a half years in the Mississippi Department of Corrections. It was not immediately known if he had a criminal record in Illinois.

"It sounded like a machine gun," said a neighbor named Maria.

Revolver?

https://abc7chicago.com/aurora-shooting-5-dead-multiple-wounded-including-officers;-gunman-also-dead/5141841/

[TommyGunn]

Revolver?

https://abc7chicago.com/aurora-shooting-5-dead-multiple-wounded-including-officers;-gunman-also-dead/5141841/

Double action revolvers can be fired very quickly --- even single actions if you practice practice practice and then also practice.
Jerry Miculek and Adolf Topperwein come to mind.

[WLJ]

Double action revolvers can be fired very quickly --- even single actions if you practice practice practice and then also practice.
Jerry Miculek and Adolf Topperwein come to mind.

You don't have to tell me. Miculek's trigger finger is a class 3 device.
I just found the "it sounded like a machine gun" remark a bit funny.

[WLJ]

Ziman said that, after officials discovered Martin's felony, a letter was sent notifying him that his FOID card had been revoked and informing him that he was required to relinquish his firearm to local authorities. She added that law enforcement is now investigating if they ever followed up with Martin.

Shooter in Aurora, Illinois, manufacturing plant wasn't legally allowed to own gun
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooter-aurora-illinois-manufacturing-plant-wasn-t-legally-allowed-own-n972436?cid=eml_nbn_20190216

[Hawkmoon]

Shooter in Aurora, Illinois, manufacturing plant wasn't legally allowed to own gun
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooter-aurora-illinois-manufacturing-plant-wasn-t-legally-allowed-own-n972436?cid=eml_nbn_20190216

So he had a 1995 felony conviction but he was given an Illinois FOID card in 2014. I'd say the question isn't why he didn't turn in the gun when his FOID was revoked, but why the State of Illinois issued him an FOID in the first place. The FOID card's purpose is supposed to be to prevent prohibited people from possessing firearms. A background check is [supposedly] performed prior to issuing an FOID.

Great job, Illinois.

[MillCreek]

I see that the SWAT team members are carrying several NiteIze SpotLit clip on lights.  I have one of these on my dog's collar, so we can see him out in the back forty at night-time.  I wonder what the SWAT personnel use them for. 

[WLJ]

I see that the SWAT team members are carrying several NiteIze SpotLit clip on lights.  I have one of these on my dog's collar, so we can see him out in the back forty at night-time.  I wonder what the SWAT personnel use them for.  

Marking victims?
Maybe different colors for their condition?
Just guessing here.

[Regolith]

They're Christmas lights; they just haven't gotten around to taking them down yet. 

[freakazoid]

They're Christmas lights; they just haven't gotten around to taking them down yet. 

 

[Perd Hapley]

I would guess the little, clip-on LEDs are for something similar to what we used colored smoke for in the infantry.

Or, they just like 'em cuz there purty.

[MillCreek]

I was wondering if the lights are used to show if an area/room has been cleared.

[cordex]

I was wondering if the lights are used to show if an area/room has been cleared.

Some of the guys on the team I have played with use them like that.  Specifically if they shoot a guy they have to leave one of the team in the room with him even if the rest of the guys have to move on.  They'll drop an LED in the hall outside the room to remind them (or the patrol guys coming in afterward) that there is a good guy pinned in that room to reduce the chances of a blue on blue exchange.

[HankB]

So he had a 1995 felony conviction but he was given an Illinois FOID card in 2014. I'd say the question isn't why he didn't turn in the gun when his FOID was revoked, but why the State of Illinois issued him an FOID in the first place. The FOID card's purpose is supposed to be to prevent prohibited people from possessing firearms. A background check is [supposedly] performed prior to issuing an FOID.

Great job, Illinois.

Illinois enabled a convicted felon to evade Federal law prohibiting convicted felons from buying or possessing firearms. There ought to be some criminal culpability here.

[230RN]

How long does it take folks to get suited up like that?

HankB: "Illinois enabled a convicted felon to evade Federal law prohibiting convicted felons from buying or possessing firearms. There ought to be some criminal culpability here."

Roger that eleventy.

Terry, 230RN

[Perd Hapley]

Some detail on the background checks, and lack of follow-up.

https://ricochet.com/598013/firearms-background-checks/

[Hawkmoon]

Some detail on the background checks, and lack of follow-up.

https://ricochet.com/598013/firearms-background-checks/

In spite of the timeline, no one knows where the system broke down. The search has begun by the Illinois State Police, and the Aurora Police Department to find out the why, and how Mr. Martin still retained his handgun for five years after he was informed he could no longer possess a handgun.

That's a valid question, but it would be a moot point if the "system" had prevented him from purchasing the firearm in the first place. I still think the more important question is how he was allowed to obtain an FOID and then purchase a firearm in Illinois with a felony conviction on his record.

Why aren't they talking about that?

[Perd Hapley]

That's a valid question, but it would be a mot point if the "system" had prevented him from purchasing the firearm in the first place. I still think the more important question is how he was allowed to obtain an FOID and then purchase a firearm in Illinois with a felony conviction on his record.

Why aren't they talking about that?

If by "they" you mean the folks at Ricochet, I refer you to the comments. Some interesting detail there.

[Hawkmoon]

If by "they" you mean the folks at Ricochet, I refer you to the comments. Some interesting detail there.

By "they" I was referring to the lamestream media in general and collectively.