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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2019, 08:04:39 PM »
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mendment    House Floor Amendment 18
Sponsor    M. Sorolis
Summary    Amend to limit to permitless concealed carry to Kentucky residents; require training in the use of firearms; require persons who carry concealed weapons to carry documentation of training; require persons who permitlessly concealed carry to successfully range fire a firearm at a target 11 of 20 times on a monthly basis.

Further proof that people who don't understand guns (or English) should not attempt to write laws pertaining to firearms. If I had a firearm that would only fire 11 times out of a 20-round magazine, I'd be heading to the gunsmith ASAP. I suspect that what this legislative brain trust intended was to require that a person be able to HIT a target 11 times out of 20 shots. Even then ... how large is the target, and what's the distance?
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2019, 08:25:08 PM »
Further proof that people who don't understand guns (or English) should not attempt to write laws pertaining to firearms. If I had a firearm that would only fire 11 times out of a 20-round magazine, I'd be heading to the gunsmith ASAP. I suspect that what this legislative brain trust intended was to require that a person be able to HIT a target 11 times out of 20 shots. Even then ... how large is the target, and what's the distance?

I would assume the same that they use for the CC test.
B-27 target at 7 yards.
11 hits out of 20 shots

You would have to be the worst shot in the world to not be able to do that, but people do fail it. That fact scares the heck out of me.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2019, 12:30:32 AM »
Further proof that people who don't understand guns (or English) should not attempt to write laws pertaining to firearms.

 :laugh:  I wonder what their enforcement mechanism is supposed to be, on these permitlessly carry-concealing non-permit-holder holders.  :laugh: If you fail to successfully range fire your firearm at the firearm firing range, do they cancel your permitless permit, so that you're no longer permitted to have permission to permitlessly (concealedly) carry?

It also sounds like they're all for permitlessly open-carrying, since they're making it so hard to permitlessly non-open-carry. Right?
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2019, 03:56:18 AM »
:laugh:  I wonder what their enforcement mechanism is supposed to be, on these permitlessly carry-concealing non-permit-holder holders.  :laugh: If you fail to successfully range fire your firearm at the firearm firing range, do they cancel your permitless permit, so that you're no longer permitted to have permission to permitlessly (concealedly) carry?

It also sounds like they're all for permitlessly open-carrying, since they're making it so hard to permitlessly non-open-carry. Right?

That post is a work of art.

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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2019, 09:15:18 AM »
I would assume the same that they use for the CC test.
B-27 target at 7 yards.
11 hits out of 20 shots

You would have to be the worst shot in the world to not be able to do that, but people do fail it. That fact scares the heck out of me.

I am sure if you asked that question on an instructor's forum you would get all sorts of stories.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2019, 09:24:45 AM »
I am sure if you asked that question on an instructor's forum you would get all sorts of stories.

What I tell people is that if you want to see an example of why some don't need to be around guns is to go to an indoor range, walk into a shooting stall and look up.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2019, 10:27:51 AM »
By golly they were right! 

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Apparently we're all going to shoot ourselves in the crotch now.

With concealed carry law, don't whine if you shoot yourself in the crotch
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/joseph-gerth/2019/03/04/kentucky-concealed-carry-law-add-gun-violence/3048630002/

Headline on wdrb.com

Indiana man without handgun license accidentally shoots self in genitals, police say
https://www.wdrb.com/news/indiana-man-without-handgun-license-accidentally-shoots-self-in-genitals/article_a8e7a436-427b-11e9-9b88-4735c3c85e18.html

If only he had a permit he would would have be "trained" not to shot himself in the crotch  :facepalm:
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2019, 12:38:39 PM »

If only he had a permit he would would have be "trained" not to shot himself in the crotch  :facepalm:

The magic of the government. I've a permit, and have never shot myself.

You who doubt government's magic powers must say 12 Ocasios, and ten Our Obamas, and you'll be absolved.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #33 on: March 10, 2019, 07:13:55 PM »
Does anybody besides me, this old crotchety coot stuck in his ways, think that legally-required "proficiency tests" are inherent infringements?

I can see them as individual requirements of individual instructors, but not as a matter of law.

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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #34 on: March 10, 2019, 11:51:14 PM »
Does anybody besides me, this old crotchety coot stuck in his ways, think that legally-required "proficiency tests" are inherent infringements?

I can see them as individual requirements of individual instructors, but not as a matter of law.

You just want people to shoot themselves in the groin.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2019, 03:04:25 AM »
Don't put words in my mouth.

Others have tried, others have died.

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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2019, 03:30:55 AM »
Does anybody besides me, this old crotchety coot stuck in his ways, think that legally-required "proficiency tests" are inherent infringements?


Permits/licenses are an infringement. It should go without saying that a proficiency test to exercise a constitutional right is an infringement.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #37 on: March 11, 2019, 10:03:07 AM »
Does anybody besides me, this old crotchety coot stuck in his ways, think that legally-required "proficiency tests" are inherent infringements?

I can see them as individual requirements of individual instructors, but not as a matter of law.
I hear that all the time.  Training is recommended, but it should not be required.  Otherwise, it becomes another way the govt makes you ask permission. 
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #38 on: March 11, 2019, 10:25:34 PM »
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2019, 10:53:40 PM »
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Opponents worry lawmakers were too quick to pass the bill.

They've only been debating it for the past 10 years!
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2019, 11:15:48 PM »
Congrats!
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2019, 06:53:51 PM »
Kind of an update
The law went into effect a couple of weeks ago. Actually went into effect June 27th, not July 1st.
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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2019, 11:06:40 PM »
Kind of an update
The law went into effect a couple of weeks ago. Actually went into effect June 27th, not July 1st.
No blood in the streets.
No Wild West duels in the street either.
Body shops are not reporting thousands of cars full of bullet holes.
The usual suspects are still shooting the usual suspects.
Life goes on.


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Re: Finally some movement on Constitutional Carry in Kentucky
« Reply #44 on: July 11, 2019, 06:46:54 PM »
Everyone in your state died of internet deregulation long ago.

The rest died when Kavanaugh was confirmed.
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