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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2019, 11:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Ron on March 12, 2019, 08:33:43 AM
Bibi has been beating the war drums against Iran for a long time.


Weren't the Israelis threatening an air strike on Iranian nuke sites a few years back.  I believe Obama pulled out the stops to keep them from doing it.  I did hear they flew air missions deep into Syria as a demonstration to show they could get strike aircraft far enough and through Syrian air defenses.  

I agree with Ms Shumer.  Pretty much every strategic enemy of Iran is pushing for us to take more action against Iran.  I am sure there are war hawks in the govt who would love to see it happen.  

What I don't see is why anyone would look at this as some sort of conspiracy.  IMO, it is just politics.  My impression is that Trump is not a war hawk President.  I get the impression he would rather pull troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan both if it was a simple solution.  My concern (if any) would not be for the Trump Admin, but the next administration after this one and who might be in charge then.  I am not going to worry about that now.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2019, 11:29:02 AM »
If Israel and Saudi Arabia want to invade Iran, let them do it.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2019, 12:05:59 PM »
Israel has spoken before about going alone to possible preventative nuke strikes on Iran if necessary.  I believe it was phrased along the lines of they are not going to wait until a mushroom cloud goes up over Tel Aviv.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2019, 12:22:09 PM »
Quote from: MillCreek on March 12, 2019, 12:05:59 PM
Israel has spoken before about going alone to possible preventative nuke strikes on Iran if necessary.  I believe it was phrased along the lines of they are not going to wait until a mushroom cloud goes up over Tel Aviv.

This.  Just like they did to Iraq, ten years before Desert Storm.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2019, 04:57:55 PM »
I started my current job in 2013, and a co-worker started telling me we were going to be at war with Iran pretty soon. He kept predicting it for months. Now he keeps expecting we'll send troops to Venezuela.

A lot of people spend an inordinate amount of time worrying about Joos.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2019, 11:13:52 PM »
Quote from: Amy Schumer on March 12, 2019, 12:22:09 PM
This.  Just like they did to Iraq, ten years before Desert Storm.

So Israel kept making war mongering noises towards Iraq.

Then we invaded Iraq.

Not sure how that helps your argument.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2019, 11:18:15 PM »
Quote from: Ron on March 12, 2019, 11:13:52 PM
So Israel kept making war mongering noises towards Iraq.

Then we invaded Iraq...twice.

Not sure how that helps your argument.
Just try to make sure no more Bush's run for President.  That seems to be another common thread.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2019, 11:28:00 PM »
Quote from: Ron on March 12, 2019, 11:13:52 PM
So Israel kept making war mongering noises towards Iraq.

Then we invaded Iraq.

Not sure how that helps your argument.

Nope, Israel did a one and done air raid on Iraq's nuclearreactor.  They weren't pushing us into a war with Iraq.  Remember that Iraq invaded Kuwait, so it was the Kuwaitis and Saudis who were screaming for American troops, not Israel.  Also, if you recall Iraq was trying to drag Israel into the war by launching SCUDs at them.  Otherwise, Israel was pretty content to sit it out.  Nor did they "push" us to go to war.
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Re: Let’s go to war with Iran
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2019, 10:51:10 AM »
Our Middle East policy sure doesn’t seem to be based upon the will of the American people nor what is best for our nation.

The Iraq invasions and 9/11 were used to manipulate us into the tar baby of making the Middle East “safe” for Democracy.

The USA is less safe now.
The USA is less free now.

Who does our failed policy benefit, by design or accident? Certainly not you or me.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are certainly in a better place without Saddam, with us “policing” Afghanistan, without Gaddafi, with a weaker Syria, (even though they failed to bring down Assad).

I don’t care if our failed policies were a conspiracy or if it was just hubris that drove our government to try and impose its will, or a USA/Israeli/SA vision on the region by military force.

Trump was elected in part to get us out of the quagmire. So far his grade is a D-

Trumps stance against Iran might be opening bid bluster, we’ll see.

He wasn’t elected to start another war where we are a proxy for other regional powers.

He was elected to stop that *expletive deleted*it.








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