Mosque shooting in New Zealand

[Phyphor]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2019/mar/15/christchurch-shooting-injuries-reported-as-police-respond-to-critical-incident-live

Oooooh boy, craps gettin' real.

Kinda an odd place for it to happen.

[WLJ]

Beat me in posting this

From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-47578798

It is not yet known how many shooters there were, but the Herald reports that one gunman is believed to be an Australian who has written a manifesto outlining his intentions. In it, he espouses far-right ideology and anti-immigrant ideology.

Unverified footage purportedly taken by the shooter has emerged, suggesting he filmed as he shot victims.

One unnamed survivor told TV New Zealand he saw a gunman shoot a man directly in the chest. He estimated that the shooting lasted for 20 minutes and that up to 60 people may have been injured.

The gunman reportedly targeted the men's prayer room in the mosque, then moved to the women's room.

"What I did was basically just waiting and praying, God please, let this guy run out of bullets," the witness said.

"He came to this side, he shot this side, he went to another room and went to the ladies' section and shot them. I just heard one of the ladies has died."

[HankB]

A mass school shooting in Brazil, and a day later a mass mosque shooting in New Zealand.

I thought these only occurred in the USA since everywhere else has common-sense gun laws . . .

[Hawkmoon]

A mass school shooting in Brazil, and a day later a mass mosque shooting in New Zealand.

I thought these only occurred in the USA since everywhere else has common-sense gun laws . . .

I'm sure Bloomberg will be along shortly to tell us the guns were bought in Virginia and illegally transported to the mosque.

[WLJ]

So they were posting video of the attacks
Sick F's

Bush was asked about the video that is circulating online, which purports to show the attack from the perspective of the shooter. This video is very graphic and unverified and Bush said police were doing everything in their power to get the video taken down from the website: “It’s very disturbing, it shouldn’t be in the public domain,” he said.

He also said: “Let’s not assume the danger is gone” and said he couldn’t discuss whether the four people who were arrested were known to police. “That detail will unfold in the next few days.”

[WLJ]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/multiple-fatalities-at-new-zealand-mosque-shooting-police

Police were also working to remove an unconfirmed video that circulated online showed a gunman entering a building and firing multiple gunshots at people inside. A man who claimed responsibility for the shooting reportedly published a 74-page anti-immigrant manifesto prior to the killings.

It's Trump's fault in 10,9,8,7,6..........

[WLJ]

5,4,3,2,1

Up to 30 dead at two New Zealand mosques after a Trump-supporting white supremacist, 28, opens fire and livestreams the slaughter as car bombs are found and a woman and three men are arrested
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ushome/index.html

[French G.]

Becoming a pattern for me it seems. My kiddo started Germany vacation within hours of the Christmas market attack. Now on new Zealand vacay for this. On North island, so that much is good. Too much for perennial worriers like me.

[Ron]

Here I was just thinking the other day that there hasn’t been a dramatic Islamic terrorist attack in the west in a while.

If this doesn’t motivate the crazy jihadists to engage in a tit for tat I don’t know what will.

Whenever I’m engaged in a conversation with what I used to call “sea of glass conservatives”, I always say to them, we’re not going to be able to shoot our way out of our problems.

In the west we want change and we want it it now, both the right and left want instant gratification.

To win you have to play the long game.

Words, words and ideas are more powerful than guns in the big picture.

It was words and ideas that motivated him to become a murderer.

This young man was a pretty normal guy from all accounts.  Then he traveled around the world for 7? years, comes back and commits mass murder.

I have to wonder who he met and where he got his evil ideas on how to address the west’s problems.

Apparently there is a long “manifesto” filled with every right wing trope that is out there.

He likes Trump also.

[Ben]

Condolences to the families of the victims. 

Yeah, New Zealand is a shocker. Australia would have been less so. From the limited info I read, they're talking semi-auto rifle. I seem to recall years back someone at APS was looking at ex-pating to NZ and we had talked about their gun laws. IIRC, semi-auto was supposed to be rare or impossible, and everything requires an interview with the local police department.

[Ron]

I read semi auto shotgun and also a rifle.

[Fly320s]

The cover photo of the FoxNews story shows an AR-shaped rifle.  Hard to tell if it is really an AR-based rifle, though.  

I though Australia banned all of the evil guns years ago.

[Ben]

So they're calling this guy a white supremacist, but I went to WLJ's link, and the below is the cover page of the guy's maifesto. Worker's rights, anti-imperialism, and environmentalism sound more socialist to me. Of course Australian white supremacists may be a different animal than US white supremacists.

[WLJ]

So they're calling this guy a white supremacist, but I went to WLJ's link, and the below is the cover page of the guy's maifesto. Worker's rights, anti-imperialism, and environmentalism sound more socialist to me. Of course Australian white supremacists may be a different animal than US white supremacists.

Saw that symbol in some of the photos I saw

[MechAg94]

Here I was just thinking the other day that there hasn’t been a dramatic Islamic terrorist attack in the west in a while.

If this doesn’t motivate the crazy jihadists to engage in a tit for tat I don’t know what will.

Whenever I’m engaged in a conversation with what I used to call “sea of glass conservatives”, I always say to them, we’re not going to be able to shoot our way out of our problems.

In the west we want change and we want it it now, both the right and left want instant gratification.

To win you have to play the long game.

Words, words and ideas are more powerful than guns in the big picture.

It was words and ideas that motivated him to become a murderer.

This young man was a pretty normal guy from all accounts.  Then he traveled around the world for 7? years, comes back and commits mass murder.

I have to wonder who he met and where he got his evil ideas on how to address the west’s problems.

Apparently there is a long “manifesto” filled with every right wing trope that is out there.

He likes Trump also.

Yet Trump is not anti-(legal) immigrant.  I think some would be surprised how liberal he would be if it was just legal immigration we were talking about.  

[Ron]

That cover definitely has a white nationalist vibe to it for sure.

Right wing means something different everywhere else than in the USA.

Our labels are failing to actually describe anything these days.

Left, right, center, they can all mean something different to each individual.

He doesn’t look very right wing to me.

[WLJ]

This is where I saw it

[Ben]

That cover definitely has a white nationalist vibe to it for sure.

I guess I don't know the difference between a white supremacist and a white nationalist. I've always lumped them together.

[WLJ]

Shotgun



Not sure what this is, maybe an AR? I think I see the charging handle

[Ron]

I guess I don't know the difference between a white supremacist and a white nationalist. I've always lumped them together.

Maybe it’s tomato, tomato?

There is also another term, ethno nationalist. Every people (ethnicity) should have their own nation.

They want every nation to emulate the Israeli policy of declaring the nation is for the Jewish people. Poland is for the Polish, France is for the French etc.

[WLJ]

The writing I've been seeing on their gear some of it looks Cyrillic  to me

More

[Ben]

It appears he calls himself a fascist (eco-fascist to be precise) and both right and left wing. "Socialist" was cut off, and in a quick search, I have not found the full text of his manifesto.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/03/15/like-clockwork-rep-eric-swalwell-is-quick-to-make-an-as-of-himself-dunking-on-the-right-after-new-zealand-shooting/

[Ron]

It appears he calls himself a fascist (eco-fascist to be precise) and both right and left wing. "Socialist" was cut off, and in a quick search, I have not found the full text of his manifesto.

https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2019/03/15/like-clockwork-rep-eric-swalwell-is-quick-to-make-an-as-of-himself-dunking-on-the-right-after-new-zealand-shooting/

Full text, for now.

I read two pages and stopped. Going into the mind of a mass murderer isn’t on my agenda this morning.

https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf

[Ben]

Full text, for now.

I read two pages and stopped. Going into the mind of a mass murderer isn’t on my agenda this morning.

https://propertarianism.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Great-Replacement.pdf

Yeah, I don't want to read the whole thing either. I was just curious about that page on how he actually identified himself, because I won't be able to trust the MSM on it.

[WLJ]

49 dead, 40+ wounded