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« on: March 17, 2019, 07:06:33 AM »

I fear we may be seeing more of this.

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"Three deputies arrived on scene and were immediately met with verbal hostilities from the large group of teenagers, to include racial slurs, cursing and threats of assault," the sheriff's office said in a statement.
As the deputies attempted to address a specific individual, about 60 to 70 teenagers began to "close in" on the deputies, the statement said.
Youth basketball game becomes riot, as 9 teens arrested after crowd 'closes in' on deputies
https://www.foxnews.com/us/9-juveniles-arrested-after-brawl-in-washington-middle-school-involving-33-police-units-at-least-60-teenagers
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« Reply #1 on: March 17, 2019, 07:20:40 AM »

Police are vastly outnumbered everywhere.  In reality their ability to do their job relies on the support of the community, and society as a whole.

On the community side, if they lose support they can up the violence to a certain point, and then the community just decides to return violence.  This can be seen in the "police no-go" neighborhoods popping up in immigrant communities in Europe, and in the extreme in places like Mogadishu, where government policing doesn't exist for practical purposes.

When the whole society begins to question the police you get things like juries that convict cops that didn't actually do anything wrong, and very restrictive laws/policies.  There's currently a bill floated that would require LEO's to get supervisor approval before unholstering.  Obviously that bill is going nowhere, but it's a red flag that at least some legislators have completely lost faith in the Police.

I think it's telling that here, on a forum that is pretty conservative, older, and pretty veteran heavy we routinely have conversations about lack of trust in Law Enforcement.  Hawkmoon said a couple days ago that he thinks LEO's are teaching techniques to justify shooting people behind the scenes.  We're a LONG way from Andy Griffith when normal folks think that cops are planning how to shoot folks and justify it.

On the OP, Sure.  If you think that the cops are out to get you and your friends, and you can't get a fair shake from them, and they are in your neighborhood, and you have them outnumbered 20 to 1, why would you even let them pretend they have authority?  I'm kind of surprised that they managed to arrest anyone.
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« Reply #2 on: March 17, 2019, 07:27:02 AM »

Diversity + Proximity = Conflict

We no longer live in a high social trust society that shares the same value system

Just keep telling yourself ôdiversity is our strengthö while you stop struggling, relax and try and enjoy it.
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« Reply #3 on: March 17, 2019, 07:56:04 AM »

When the whole society begins to question the police you get things like juries that convict cops that didn't actually do anything wrong, and very restrictive laws/policies.  There's currently a bill floated that would require LEO's to get supervisor approval before unholstering.  Obviously that bill is going nowhere, but it's a red flag that at least some legislators have completely lost faith in the Police.

If you're referring to this https://bluenewsnetwork.com/new-bill-would-require-officers-to-call-supervisor-before-drawing-weapons/
That's a satirical news site

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For the cops on the road, you have our respect, even if we tease you a little.  Be careful, and come home safe.
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« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2019, 08:06:47 AM »


I was, thanks for pointing that out.

I think my point still stands however, that representatives of major sections of society are getting increasingly hostile to police.  I think that accurately reflects the society they represent.
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« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 08:11:40 AM »

I was, thanks for pointing that out.

I think my point still stands however, that representatives of major sections of society are getting increasingly hostile to police.  I think that accurately reflects the society they represent.

In their idea society only the NKVD would have guns
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« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2019, 10:22:49 AM »

Diversity + Proximity = Conflict

We no longer live in a high social trust society that shares the same value system

Just keep telling yourself ôdiversity is our strengthö while you stop struggling, relax and try and enjoy it.

Quoted just because it's true and worth repeating.
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« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2019, 10:45:48 AM »

In their idea society only the NKVD would have guns
Nope.

Also the OGPU, Cheka, GRU, Stasi, Sigurimi, MVD, KGB . . .

One agency wouldn't be enough to do it all.
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« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2019, 10:55:46 AM »

Nope.

Also the OGPU, Cheka, GRU, Stasi, Sigurimi, MVD, KGB . . .

One agency wouldn't be enough to do it all.

You have to keep it down to one so that AOC can keep track
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« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2019, 11:21:04 AM »

You have to keep it down to one so that AOC can keep track
She's got Omar, Tlaib, Green, and maybe even Schiff to help out.
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Government is a broker in pillage, and every election is a sort of advance auction in stolen goods. - H.L. Mencken
Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. - Mark Twain
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