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« Reply #25 on: March 01, 2019, 09:39:10 AM »

Expectations should be low and walking away with nothing is better than signing a bad deal. The can is kicked down the road.
My only real gripe is Trump's continued praise of Kim and stuff like this:He did the same thing with Putin. Saying stuff like this about Kim is really unnecessary:People will try to 'whatabout Obama' or setup a false dichotomy between him talking like this or nuclear war but I don't think it's unreasonable to demand better from our president.


I'm conflicted on that stuff. From the 30,000' view, I don't like it. Digging in deeper (these are questions/potential reasons whether I agree with them or not, vs excuses):

He might be buttering them up  (a common business tactic for businessman Trump) for "the greater good".

On Kim, while the buck always stops at the top, it is conceivable he did not know what happened to Warmbier when it happened, just like our president wouldn't know immediately if some guy in Gitmo was about to be beaten half to death by an overzealous E-4. Kim and Trump both seemed to be very specific in the wording about what Kim "didn't know".

Obviously, giving Kim the benefit of the doubt isn't a good look on the face of it. We all know about deaths he has ordered and how those deaths were carried out. But again, the ethics question is on "the greater good" of an agreement that locks down Nork nukes. Is making Kim look good/innocent "on camera" during negotiations regarding one death worth potentially saving hundreds of thousands of lives? It's a philosophical debate, IMO, and again, I'm not sure where I stand on it with my limited information sitting in the nosebleed section of the geopolitical bleachers.
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« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2019, 09:51:26 AM »

Just what did listening to the diplomatic establishment for decades get us?

Has Trumps unorthodox methods born any fruit up to this point?

There are always unexpected consequences to actions, so admittedly there may be some negative blowback from Trumps methods.

We already know the absolute failure of traditional diplomacy regarding the Norks and where that was heading.

So far I like the gamble.

Of course we only know what weĺve been allowed to know so we arenĺt making decisions based on all the facts.
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« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2019, 10:28:47 AM »

New development: It appears we're going to suspend military exercises with South Korea.

The right seems to be almost more up in arms over it than the left. Maybe someone with more expertise can explain it to me, but given it's a suspension versus permanent, I'm not sure how it's a major deal? Can't we still train on tactics, but just not on NK's doorstep? Maybe not ideal, but I would see this as a carrot for NK to return to the table and deal to our benefit.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/03/01/what-in-the-ever-loving-report-trump-admin-to-make-major-announcement-regarding-us-south-korea-military-exercises/
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2019, 02:55:40 AM »

Kim still wants to play by the old rules. 

He promises to be good.  Clinton sends money, food and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

He promises to be good.  Bush sends money, food, and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

He promises to be good.  Obama sends money, food, and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

Kim promises to be good.  Trump says, do good first, then I send the money, food, and oil.  Kim is surprised.  Trump walks.

Hilfrickenarious.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2019, 03:29:36 AM »

Kim still wants to play by the old rules. 

He promises to be good.  Clinton sends money, food and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

He promises to be good.  Bush sends money, food, and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

He promises to be good.  Obama sends money, food, and oil.  Kim continues to be bad.

Kim promises to be good.  Trump says, do good first, then I send the money, food, and oil.  Kim is surprised.  Trump walks.

Setting that to haiku:

The new sheriff came
Kim wanted to play the same
New day brings new rules
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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2019, 10:58:40 AM »

President Trump abruptly announced Friday that he was withdrawing sanctions on North Korea, immediately after his own Treasury Department imposed them.

ôIt was announced today by the U.S. Treasury that additional large scale Sanctions would be added to those already existing Sanctions on North Korea. I have today ordered the withdrawal of those additional Sanctions!ö Trump tweeted Friday afternoon.
Huh?
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