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UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« on: March 22, 2019, 01:28:07 AM »
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https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/home-office-cites-bible-to-deny-asylum-0s59c38l0

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/03/21/uk-home-office-turns-away-iranian-convert-to-peaceful-christianity-cites-violent-passages-from-the-bible/

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The Home Office refused asylum to an Iranian who converted from Islam to Christianity because, it said, Christianity was not a peaceful religion.

Immigration officials wrote to the man, who had converted to Christianity on the ground that it was a peaceful religion, citing violent passages from the Bible to support their claim. They said that the Book of Revelation was “filled with imagery of revenge, destruction, death and violence”.

The Church of England condemned the “lack of religious literacy” after the man said that he now faced persecution in Iran for his faith.

The Left loves to tell me how violent and hateful my religion is. Do they want me to start stoning unbelievers?  ???
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2019, 04:07:51 AM »
I worked on a construction site for a year with an Iranian man who converted to Christianity (and married an Irish-American lass). I guess he was deluded, too, because he thought Christianity was a peaceful religion.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2019, 04:43:31 AM »
Now? Is it time NOW? Pitchforks and torches are on sale now. I'm just saying...
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2019, 08:50:56 AM »
We’re not going to shoot ourselves out of this mess.

Hopefully we will never see a time where legitimate self defense is the only option.

The leftists in power are really really trying to goad the right, including the Christian right, into reactionary violence.

Maybe they sense their time is running out. They desperately need a pretense to crush the right wing resistance to leftist insanity. The left cannot abide hearing that the leftist tyranny has no clothes on.

They must kill the messenger.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2019, 09:03:34 AM »
We’re not going to shoot ourselves out of this mess.

I have it on good authority that, as a Christian, I should be as violent as possible. So, sorry, I'll be shooting my way out of the mess.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2019, 09:16:38 AM »
We’re not going to shoot ourselves out of this mess.

Hopefully we will never see a time where legitimate self defense is the only option.

The leftists in power are really really trying to goad the right, including the Christian right, into reactionary violence.

Maybe they sense their time is running out. They desperately need a pretense to crush the right wing resistance to leftist insanity. The left cannot abide hearing that the leftist tyranny has no clothes on.

They must kill the messenger.
Are they trying to goad the Christian right or justify their own hate and violent behavior? 

I think if they really though Christians were violent, they wouldn't be doing this.  Notice how many of them tip toe around saying anything negative about Muslims.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2019, 09:17:58 AM »
Are they trying to goad the Christian right or justify their own hate and violent behavior? 

I think if they really though Christians were violent, they wouldn't be doing this.  Notice how many of them tip toe around saying anything negative about Muslims.

Well, the right has been surrendering for decades so you have a point.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2019, 11:42:16 AM »
Are they trying to goad the Christian right or and justify their own hate and violent behavior? 


FIFY.

And the answer is "Yes."
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2019, 12:33:10 PM »
And Christianity is actually the state religion of the UK.   ;/

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2019, 02:29:23 PM »
Now? Is it time NOW? Pitchforks and torches are on sale now. I'm just saying...
Get with the modern times.  We have these things called AR-15 death machines. 
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2019, 02:38:17 PM »
Get with the modern times.  We have these things called AR-15 death machines. 

Not in the U.K.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2019, 04:42:07 PM »
I hear the UK might be interested in some German boxcars that haven’t run in 74 years to deal with these troublesome Christians
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2019, 04:47:53 PM »
From the article:

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Immigration officials wrote to the man, who had converted to Christianity on the ground that it was a peaceful religion, citing violent passages from the Bible to support their claim. They said that the Book of Revelation was “filled with imagery of revenge, destruction, death and violence”.


Soooooo, it's been a while since I read Revelations, but as I recall it wasn't Christians being all violent and End of the Earth-y in it.  As I recall there are some dudes on horses that kick it all off, right?

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2019, 07:44:54 PM »
From the article:


Soooooo, it's been a while since I read Revelations, but as I recall it wasn't Christians being all violent and End of the Earth-y in it.  As I recall there are some dudes on horses that kick it all off, right?

Not really clear who the Four Horsemen are.   Ah, but later on...

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2019, 12:31:22 AM »
From the article:

Soooooo, it's been a while since I read Revelations, but as I recall it wasn't Christians being all violent and End of the Earth-y in it.  As I recall there are some dudes on horses that kick it all off, right?

Yeah, the book of Revelation is definitely not the place I'd go to find some evidence of Christian terrorism. I guess they were too chicken to go after the Old Testament.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2019, 05:43:23 AM »
I can't think of any faith that has not had its violent fanatics.  Heck even the Buddists have taking to killing folks from time to time.  To paraphrase an old drug pushing witch I knew of

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2019, 01:42:23 PM »
I can't think of any faith that has not had its violent fanatics.  Heck even the Buddists have taking to killing folks from time to time.  To paraphrase an old drug pushing witch I knew of

"Religions are grand lofty ideals.  Religious followers however...unspeakable"
I would say the Christian Faith is wonderful.  Christian Religions can sometimes be pretty bad.

That goes for any organization run by humans.

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2019, 04:31:37 PM »
Yeah, the book of Revelation is definitely not the place I'd go to find some evidence of Christian terrorism. I guess they were too chicken to go after the Old Testament.

The Old Testament isn't Christian. It's Jewish.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2019, 05:24:49 PM »
The Old Testament isn't Christian. It's Jewish.

Tell that to all the people that use controversial passages from the Old Testament to badger Christians.

My point was that I think the Home Office nutters avoided criticizing the Old Testament, as they thought that might get some blow-back from Jewish groups, or Left-wingers.

In truth, though, the Old Testament is regarded as the Word of God by Christians. To a Christian, the Old Testament is thoroughly Christian, because it foretells the Person and work of Christ. Christ said that about it, as well.

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2019, 05:25:27 PM »
I would say the Christian Faith is wonderful.  Christian Religions can sometimes be pretty bad.

That goes for any organization run by humans.

Mind if I steal this for use in signatures etc?
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2019, 06:19:51 PM »
The Old Testament isn't Christian. It's Jewish.

beg to differ.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2019, 11:35:33 AM »
The Old Testament isn't Christian. It's Jewish.

It's both.

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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2019, 11:52:46 AM »
Mind if I steal this for use in signatures etc?
Have at it.  The pastor I try to learn from is often critical of Religion.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2019, 05:57:58 PM »
beg to differ.

with which assertion? that it isn't Christian? or that it's Jewish?

Because by definition, it's impossible for the Old Testament to be Christian. To be pedantic, Christian, by definition, is "Christ Follower". If Christ had not been born on this earth yet, it is impossible for anyone to have been following Christ.  Ergo, the Old Testament can't necessarily be "Christian".  That is not, however, to say that we as Christians do not believe in the Old Testament.  We see it as a quasi-historical record, with much that can be learned from that history.  However the Christian faith really can't be defined as such until after Christ begins his ministry. 

As to the Old Testament being Jewish, I would say that it's a history of the Jewish faith, but it's by no means the definition of the Jewish faith.
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Re: UK Home Office says Christianity not a peaceful religion
« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2019, 06:47:21 PM »
with which assertion? that it isn't Christian? or that it's Jewish?

Because by definition, it's impossible for the Old Testament to be Christian. To be pedantic, Christian, by definition, is "Christ Follower". If Christ had not been born on this earth yet, it is impossible for anyone to have been following Christ.  Ergo, the Old Testament can't necessarily be "Christian".  That is not, however, to say that we as Christians do not believe in the Old Testament.  We see it as a quasi-historical record, with much that can be learned from that history.  However the Christian faith really can't be defined as such until after Christ begins his ministry.  

As to the Old Testament being Jewish, I would say that it's a history of the Jewish faith, but it's by no means the definition of the Jewish faith.
The Jews were looking forward to their Messiah and the OT is filled references and prophecies of the coming savior.

Jesus being believed in as the Messiah makes the whole OT Christian, it’s his story.

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“For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, the Prince of peace.”

Christianity was initially considered a Jewish sect.




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