Yet another Terminator movie?

[Angel Eyes]

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2472157/first-terminator-dark-fate-trailer-sarah-connor-is-back-with-a-vengeance?fbclid=IwAR3gjlFwgt-03s777ftAkYSIVSRzDggsrTtysBY3IA8zGy0XdUDDv_S4yX0

Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CjYw1hARhY

Looks like a quasi-retcon of the franchise, with only Terminator, Terminator 2 and Dark Fate considered canon.

But Grace is also a new type of Terminator, one that identifies as a human

*gigglesnort*  The punch line writes itself.

[WLJ]

Saw that earlier and was thinking
Does this mean we have two Sara Connors from two different timelines at the same time now?

[Devonai]

This is pure speculation, but Kyle Reese had a mom (allegedly).  Maybe Dani Ramos is her.  If the timeline is a direct continuation of T2, creating its own canon and ignoring T3 etc, then the apocalypse has been delayed.

Then again, the credits on IMDB don't list anyone playing John Connor.  Who the heck knows what happened to him?  I mean, sometimes actors are not credited for spoiler purposes, so he may be in the movie.  If not, then my guess is that Ramos is either the mom of the new leader of the resistance or Reese's mom.

[WLJ]

Apparently it's bombing hard
Go woke go broke

Box Office: ‘Terminator’ Bombs Again As ‘Dark Fate’ Nabs Apocalyptic $11 Million Friday
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/02/box-office-james-cameron-and-tim-millers-terminator-dark-fate-starring-linda-hamilton-and-arnold-schwarzenegger-bombs-with-apocalyptic-11-million-friday/#215bdd885a3e

[WLJ]

Then again, the credits on IMDB don't list anyone playing John Connor.  

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JC is killed off at the beginning of the movie from what I've read.
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Spoiler mode off

[Declaration Day]

I saw the movie on the day it came out.  WLJ is right about his spoiler, if you read it.

I am a huge fan of sci fi movies, especially the Terminator franchise.  Having said that, this movie is a snoozer.  It has its moments, but there is nothing remarkable about it.  It's just another Terminator movie, with fewer action scenes than you'd expect.

I won't say it sucked, but wait for it to come out on streaming, and watch it on a day when you aren't busy with more important things to do.

[Ben]

I saw the movie on the day it came out.  WLJ is right about his spoiler, if you read it.

I am a huge fan of sci fi movies, especially the Terminator franchise.  Having said that, this movie is a snoozer.  It has its moments, but there is nothing remarkable about it.  It's just another Terminator movie, with fewer action scenes than you'd expect.

I won't say it sucked, but wait for it to come out on streaming, and watch it on a day when you aren't busy with more important things to do.

Dang it, I hate to hear that. I figure there won't be any more of them with Linda Hamilton or Arnie, so was hoping this would be a quality ending.

[Declaration Day]

The ending was decent, but standard for a Terminator movie.  No surprises.

[Angel Eyes]

https://babylonbee.com/news/desperate-humanity-sends-killer-robot-back-in-time-to-stop-terminator-sequels

[brimic]

Apparently it's bombing hard
Go woke go broke

Box Office: ‘Terminator’ Bombs Again As ‘Dark Fate’ Nabs Apocalyptic $11 Million Friday
https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2019/11/02/box-office-james-cameron-and-tim-millers-terminator-dark-fate-starring-linda-hamilton-and-arnold-schwarzenegger-bombs-with-apocalyptic-11-million-friday/#215bdd885a3e

I can't wait for another 20 years to go by when they do another ghostbusters reboot, with an all trans cast.

[Brad Johnson]

I can't wait for another 20 years to go by when they do another ghostbusters reboot, with an all trans cast.

Thankfully we only have to wait one year for what might actually be worth watching.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=59255.0

Brad

[HankB]

I can't wait for another 20 years to go by when they do another ghostbusters reboot, with an all trans cast.

Wait a minute - I thougth they already did?

[just Warren]

I didn't even know this movie existed until I found out it had a bad opening.

Did they do no marketing?

[Perd Hapley]

All of these terrible sequels, reboots, ret-cons - this is what happens when Hollywood just goes whole-hog on nerd culture. They've forgotten how to make movies for grown-ups.

[K Frame]

I've heard from a number of people who have seen it that it's actually pretty good.

[Declaration Day]

I've heard from a number of people who have seen it that it's actually pretty good.

I won't say it sucked, or not to see it, but I was not terribly impressed, and I am a sucker for the Terminator franchise.

[MechAg94]

I didn't even know this movie existed until I found out it had a bad opening.

Did they do no marketing?

I don't know which movie you are referring to, but they did a ton of marketing.  I saw a crap load of Terminator ads.  For the Ghostbusters reboot, same thing. 

[MechAg94]

https://youtu.be/cmkF5a1ysYM
The Critical Drinker:
Terminator Dark Fate review - Yes, it really is that bad

This guy is as much comedy as actual criticism.  He usually either slams a movie or speaks well of it.  Little inbetween.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsxa2tOWs6w
Why Ghostbusters 2016 FAILED - A scene comparison

[WLJ]

Getting 6.5 on IMDB so far
Usually movies start high and then drop somewhat so I would say it should settle in the the 5.0 to 6.0 range from experience.

[Brad Johnson]

It's scoring 84% (audience) on Rotten Tomatoes. Amazingly enough, it's getting a 70% from critics.

Brad

[WLJ]

It's scoring 84% (audience) on Rotten Tomatoes. Amazingly enough, it's getting a 70% from critics.

Brad

According to some of the talking heads on youtube RT has started filtering reviews/scores. Don't know if true but it wouldn't surprise me one  if they are. 

[WLJ]

According to The Quartering it's not that the movie is bad per say but "woke" stuff like this turned people off

Tim Miller Says ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Will ‘Scare the F*ck’ Out of Misogynistic Internet Trolls
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-scares-internet-trolls-1202156922/

The Quartering video

Terminator: Dark Fate KILLED The Franchise! Massive Loss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWh_N50A10

[Ben]

According to The Quartering it's not that the movie is bad per say but "woke" stuff like this turned people off

Tim Miller Says ‘Terminator: Dark Fate’ Will ‘Scare the F*ck’ Out of Misogynistic Internet Trolls
https://www.indiewire.com/2019/07/tim-miller-terminator-dark-fate-scares-internet-trolls-1202156922/

The Quartering video

Terminator: Dark Fate KILLED The Franchise! Massive Loss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNWh_N50A10

Disappointing and irritating. This whole thing with actors, writers, and producers having to make antagonistic woke comments is simply stupid, both on the face of it and with alienating their target audience. Had Tim Miller not had a big mouth, likely few people would have made any "worthless broad" comments, or might have had praise for the character.

As we have discussed here many times before: Sarah Conner. Ripley. Zoey. Just to name a few. Bad ass characters who happen to be women, that few guys have a problem with. Mostly because they got to simply experience the character in action, not the woke prologue to the movie/TV series.

As I have mentioned far too many times already, this woke crap is really getting my goat with Netflix and Amazon as well. Two great shows - The Punisher and Shooter, were disappointing to me in their last seasons because of course the writers had to bring in the old white guy villains - Christian militia zealots in one, and deplorable rich conservatives and proud boys (by another name) in the other. This has been happening way more in the age of Trump, where these lefties just have to get their political statements into otherwise enjoyable fiction. They are doing it with Jack Ryan this season as well. The Venezuelan president, instead of being a Maduro/Chavez commie, is alluded to be a conservative/totalitarian, and the left wing socialist female candidate in the election (AOC anyone?) is who will save Venezuela.

I don't care if Netflix wants to have 90% woke content, but for shows that are obviously not designed for woke nagging (movies like Terminator too), can you just stick to the action and not have to include lectures, either before the movie is even released, or else every ten minutes in the movie itself?

[MechAg94]

The stupid thing about woke talk is it was already done in Terminator 2.  Linda Hamilton was the tough mother in that movie.  And in the 3rd movie they had that model playing the terminator.  No one really cares about strong female characters.  It is when people feel like they are being forced into the story that people get turned off.  Audiences only want to take so much politics and social commentary before they give up and stay home.  

[Hawkmoon]

They are doing it with Jack Ryan this season as well. The Venezuelan president, instead of being a Maduro/Chavez commie, is alluded to be a conservative/totalitarian, and the left wing socialist female candidate in the election (AOC anyone?) is who will save Venezuela.

Sudamerica? Kristina, not AOC.