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BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« on: June 03, 2019, 09:41:22 PM »
A BBC radio host had the pleasure of informing a famous feminist that a major premise of her new book was so much hot garbage.

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Thomas Silver, one of the men Wolf writes about in the book, was not “actually executed for sodomy” in 1859 but was paroled a mere two years later. More, as Sweet notes, this was not some adult-on-adult relationship built on love, like her book claims to be about; Silver committed an “indecent assault on a 6-year-old boy.”

To make this terribly simple: this was a child who was hurt in the most intimate way, and Wolf’s book focuses on the punishment the perpetrator received. Further, in interpreting that focus, Wolf was completely incorrect.

Richard Ward, a historian with expertise in “crime, justice and punishment in Britain, c.1700-1850” frames the history of the legal term at play. “Death recorded” enters the picture in 1823, and “It empowered the trial judge to abstain from formally pronouncing a sentence of death upon a capital convict in cases where the judge intended to recommend the offender for a pardon from the death sentence. In the vast majority (almost certainly all) of the cases marked ‘death recorded’, the offender would not have been executed.”

https://thefederalist.com/2019/05/28/interviewer-exposes-false-data-naomi-wolfs-book-homosexual-executions/
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2019, 11:37:44 PM »
Well, ... oooooooops.    :facepalm:

I wonder if anyone today knows what "research'' is ..... [popcorn]
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2019, 12:46:19 AM »
Well, ... oooooooops.    :facepalm:

I wonder if anyone today knows what "research'' is ..... [popcorn]

Research is to be avoided at all costs. If the findings don't fit the narrative, that would be a bad thing. It's more socially responsible to just make it up on the fly.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2019, 01:44:25 AM »
So Wolf is factually incorrect but morally right?
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2019, 07:53:34 AM »
So Wolf is factually incorrect but morally right?


Pretty much.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2019, 08:44:36 AM »
So Wolf is factually incorrect but morally right?


In the exact same way that Michael Bellesiles was right when he wrote Arming America and fabricated many of the citations used to support his thesis.

BTW, apparently Bellesiles, a history professor with a PhD, is now working as a bartender.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2019, 02:13:07 PM »
BTW, apparently Bellesiles, a history professor with a PhD, is now working as a bartender.

Maybe he should run for Congress.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2019, 02:24:04 PM »
Makes me think that people excusing the assault of children has been going on for a long time.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2019, 02:46:01 PM »
In the exact same way that Michael Bellesiles was right when he wrote Arming America and fabricated many of the citations used to support his thesis.

BTW, apparently Bellesiles, a history professor with a PhD, is now working as a bartender.


I wish that was all he's doing.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/Michael-Bellesiles-Takes/123751
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2019, 03:47:23 PM »
The article makes it sound like Bellesiles is working as an adjunct professor at Central Connecticut State University. Not a prestigious posting -- CCSU used to be Central Connecticut State Teachers College when I was growing up in Connecticut, and it was one of those colleges people went to if they couldn't get into a "real" college. But Madison, Connecticut, isn't exactly Dogpatch. Madison is located on the Connecticut shoreline, between the towns of Guilford and Clinton. None of them are or ever were Dogpatch but a friend of my ex-wife hailed from Madison. Her catch phrase was "Madison is for class, Guilford is for [memory lapse], and Clinton is for clams."

If he's living in Madison, his exile isn't too horrible.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2019, 08:57:11 PM »
The article makes it sound like Bellesiles is working as an adjunct professor at Central Connecticut State University. Not a prestigious posting -- CCSU used to be Central Connecticut State Teachers College when I was growing up in Connecticut, and it was one of those colleges people went to if they couldn't get into a "real" college. But Madison, Connecticut, isn't exactly Dogpatch. Madison is located on the Connecticut shoreline, between the towns of Guilford and Clinton. None of them are or ever were Dogpatch but a friend of my ex-wife hailed from Madison. Her catch phrase was "Madison is for class, Guilford is for [memory lapse], and Clinton is for clams."

If he's living in Madison, his exile isn't too horrible.

I'd prefer he neither teach nor write anywhere.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2019, 09:00:03 PM »
I'd prefer he neither teach nor write anywhere.

He might become a half-decent novelist.

(some might say he already is)
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2019, 12:23:07 AM »
The part at the end where it mentions the numbers of Democrats to Republicans in Universities is pretty shocking. I figured there would be a difference, but not that much.
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Re: BBC mansplains feminist good and hard
« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2019, 08:49:22 AM »
He might become a half-decent novelist.

(some might say he already is)

Fiction does appear to be his calling.
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