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« on: June 11, 2019, 04:50:05 AM »

This isn't a gay-bashing post. Replace "Gay Pride Flag" with " 'X' unofficial flag".

I agree with the administration on this. I would be against the NRA flag, or any flag representative of some group I belong to or approve of being flown in an official capacity on a government installation. This should never have been started by Obama.

Trump is allowing embassies to display the pride flag inside. I'm not sure I even approve of that (again, for any group). It seems a very bad precedent to set in a setting that should be completely unbiased.

Does anyone know if presidents before Obama did something similar with a flag representing some other group?  I can't recall any.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pence-confirms-trump-admin-us-embassy-pride-flag
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« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2019, 05:05:28 AM »

What is the political and entertainment classĺs obsession with homosexuality?

It is a mass delusion.

What exactly is the point behind the propaganda and gaslighting?

I have a lesbian friend/coworker who has made several comments how she finds all of it a little weird. Her and her partner stopped participating in the big parade early on. She isnĺt opposed to it but it doesnĺt sit right with her.

Iĺm beginning to think some of it is just big corporations trying to make/tap a new market. There is a lot of ôprideö merchandise out there. Itĺs like a new holiday.





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« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2019, 06:48:14 AM »

What is the political and entertainment classĺs obsession with homosexuality?

It is a mass delusion.

What exactly is the point behind the propaganda and gaslighting?

I have a lesbian friend/coworker who has made several comments how she finds all of it a little weird. Her and her partner stopped participating in the big parade early on. She isnĺt opposed to it but it doesnĺt sit right with her.

Iĺm beginning to think some of it is just big corporations trying to make/tap a new market. There is a lot of ôprideö merchandise out there. Itĺs like a new holiday.

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2019, 06:51:56 AM »

^that in a nutshell.^

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« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2019, 07:28:28 AM »

What is the political and entertainment classĺs obsession with homosexuality?

It is a mass delusion.

What exactly is the point behind the propaganda and gaslighting?

I have a lesbian friend/coworker who has made several comments how she finds all of it a little weird. Her and her partner stopped participating in the big parade early on. She isnĺt opposed to it but it doesnĺt sit right with her.

"Creepy" is the word I'd use.  Schtuff going on behind the scenes we can't imagine.

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Speaking of which, you-all might find the Anonymous Conservative blog an interesting daily read.    Likewise his book, analyzing contemporary politics in light of reproductive strategy.
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« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2019, 08:37:46 AM »

But... this isn't possible!

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« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2019, 08:59:57 AM »

I agree that the American flag should not share the flag pole with flags making political statements.

But this raises a question, and it may show that I'm a hypocrite. My home town, the town where I worked for five years, and the local VA hospital (a major VA hospital, not a satellite clinic) all display a POW flag below the American flag, on the same halyard and on the same pole as the American flag. I've never had a problem with that. In fact, as a Vietnam veteran, I have always been happy to see that.

Am I wrong to think that the POW flag is okay but other flags should not be allowed?
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« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2019, 10:13:42 AM »

What does the flag code say about other flags?

Personally, I donĺt give a POW flag hanging below the nations flag a second thought. They signed up and sacrificed to protect the people and land our flag represents.

Nothing ever seemed inappropriate about it. Iĺve felt the opposite in fact, very appropriate, especially with troops still involved in conflicts.

If the official code says no then follow the rules and get another flag pole.


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« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2019, 11:04:17 AM »

What is the political and entertainment classĺs obsession with homosexuality?

It is a mass delusion.

What exactly is the point behind the propaganda and gaslighting?

I have a lesbian friend/coworker who has made several comments how she finds all of it a little weird. Her and her partner stopped participating in the big parade early on. She isnĺt opposed to it but it doesnĺt sit right with her.

Iĺm beginning to think some of it is just big corporations trying to make/tap a new market. There is a lot of ôprideö merchandise out there. Itĺs like a new holiday.


It's hard to escape the conclusion that the Left seeks to break down all moral or ethical guidelines of the Western world, even those it helped create. Look at how many different viewpoints the Left has pushed, concerning sexuality or gender, only to declare said viewpoint anathema shortly thereafter. Another good example would be the rise and fall of color-blindness, which they now consider a form of racism. Look at how they lobbied for free speech and religious freedom, until it was time for both of those to be re-cast as tools of oppression.

People don't know what they're supposed to think or say, and the Left wants it that way. They want us morally malleable, and afraid to speak up.
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2019, 11:14:17 AM »

Welcome to 1984
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« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2019, 12:59:43 PM »

But... this isn't possible!

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He's had two years to round them all up and put them in the camps.  What is taking so long ??  Worst President ever !!!!


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« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2019, 01:18:37 PM »

First they came for da gaze, but I didn't have teh gaze...
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« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2019, 01:51:12 PM »

It's sad we even have to discuss if there's a need to fly a *expletive deleted*ing rainbow flag during June.  You oppose that *expletive deleted*it at your peril.

I miss the days when "the closet" was a thing,  and society as a whole wasn't brainwashed into "if you don't support and accept these degenerates you're a Nazi". 

Better times,  this is getting out of hand.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2019, 01:54:27 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2019, 02:16:40 PM »

If sanity prevailed, there would be a number of ambassadorial posts opening up this week . . . 
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« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2019, 03:39:29 PM »

Fly this:

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« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2019, 03:41:50 PM »

or this:

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« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2019, 09:09:53 PM »

What does the flag code say about other flags?


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The flag, when carried in a procession with another flag or flags, should be either on the marching right; that is, the flagĺs own right, or, if there is a line of other flags, in front of the center of that line.

(a) The flag should not be displayed on a float in a parade except from a staff, or as provided in subsection (i) of this section.

(b) The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle or of a railroad train or a boat. When the flag is displayed on a motorcar, the staff shall be fixed firmly to the chassis or clamped to the right fender.

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

(d) The flag of the United States of America, when it is displayed with another flag against a wall from crossed staffs, should be on the right, the flagĺs own right, and its staff should be in front of the staff of the other flag.

(e) The flag of the United States of America should be at the center and at the highest point of the group when a number of flags of States or localities or pennants of societies are grouped and displayed from staffs.

(f) When flags of States, cities, or localities, or pennants of societies are flown on the same halyard with the flag of the United States, the latter should always be at the peak. When the flags are flown from adjacent staffs, the flag of the United States should be hoisted first and lowered last. No such flag or pennant may be placed above the flag of the United States or to the United States flagĺs right.

(g) When flags of two or more nations are displayed, they are to be flown from separate staffs of the same height. The flags should be of approximately equal size. International usage forbids the display of the flag of one nation above that of another nation in time of peace.

(h) When the flag of the United States is displayed from a staff projecting horizontally or at an angle from the window sill, balcony, or front of a building, the union of the flag should be placed at the peak of the staff unless the flag is at half-staff. When the flag is suspended over a sidewalk from a rope extending from a house to a pole at the edge of the sidewalk, the flag should be hoisted out, union first, from the building.

(i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flagĺs own right, that is, to the observerĺs left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.

(j) When the flag is displayed over the middle of the street, it should be suspended vertically with the union to the north in an east and west street or to the east in a north and south street.

(k) When used on a speakerĺs platform, the flag, if displayed flat, should be displayed above and behind the speaker. When displayed from a staff in a church or public auditorium, the flag of the United States of America should hold the position of superior prominence, in advance of the audience, and in the position of honor at the clergymanĺs or speakerĺs right as he faces the audience. Any other flag so displayed should be placed on the left of the clergyman or speaker or to the right of the audience.

(l) The flag should form a distinctive feature of the ceremony of unveiling a statue or monument, but it should never be used as the covering for the statue or monument.

(m) The flag, when flown at half-staff, should be first hoisted to the peak for an instant and then lowered to the half-staff position. The flag should be again raised to the peak before it is lowered for the day. On Memorial Day the flag should be displayed at half-staff until noon only, then raised to the top of the staff. By order of the President, the flag shall be flown at half-staff upon the death of principal figures of the United States Government and the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, as a mark of respect to their memory. In the event of the death of other officials or foreign dignitaries, the flag is to be displayed at half-staff according to Presidential instructions or orders, or in accordance with recognized customs or practices not inconsistent with law. In the event of the death of a present or former official of the government of any State, territory, or possession of the United States, the death of a member of the Armed Forces from any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving on active duty, or the death of a first responder working in any State, territory, or possession who dies while serving in the line of duty, the Governor of that State, territory, or possession may proclaim that the National flag shall be flown at half-staff, and the same authority is provided to the Mayor of the District of Columbia with respect to present or former officials of the District of Columbia, members of the Armed Forces from the District of Columbia, and first responders working in the District of Columbia. When the Governor of a State, territory, or possession, or the Mayor of the District of Columbia, issues a proclamation under the preceding sentence that the National flag be flown at half-staff in that State, territory, or possession or in the District of Columbia because of the death of a member of the Armed Forces, the National flag flown at any Federal installation or facility in the area covered by that proclamation shall be flown at half-staff consistent with that proclamation. The flag shall be flown at half-staff 30 days from the death of the President or a former President; 10 days from the day of death of the Vice President, the Chief Justice or a retired Chief Justice of the United States, or the Speaker of the House of Representatives; from the day of death until interment of an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court, a Secretary of an executive or military department, a former Vice President, or the Governor of a State, territory, or possession; and on the day of death and the following day for a Member of Congress. The flag shall be flown at half-staff on Peace Officers Memorial Day, unless that day is also Armed Forces Day. As used in this subsectionŚ

. . . (1) the term ôhalf-staffö means the position of the flag when it is one-half the distance between the top and bottom of the staff;

. . . (2) the term ôexecutive or military departmentö means any agency listed under sections 101 and 102 of title 5;

. . . (3) the term ôMember of Congressö means a Senator, a Representative, a Delegate, or the Resident Commissioner from Puerto Rico; and

. . . (4) the term ôfirst responderö means a ôpublic safety officerö as defined in section 10284 of title 34.

(n) When the flag is used to cover a casket, it should be so placed that the union is at the head and over the left shoulder. The flag should not be lowered into the grave or allowed to touch the ground.

(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observerĺs left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2019, 09:25:01 PM »

Too bad the flag codes have been ignored for years now. Burning flags, throwing them on the ground and stomping/burning/spitting on them, using them as articles of clothing, flying other countries flags above it (mexican for example) and more in the name of 1st Amendment rights.
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« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2019, 09:47:33 PM »

Too bad the flag codes have been ignored for years now. Burning flags, throwing them on the ground and stomping/burning/spitting on them, using them as articles of clothing, flying other countries flags above it (mexican for example) and more in the name of 1st Amendment rights.

I reluctantly think the USSC got it right about flag-burning being protected speech.  Not all speech is respectful, and the 1st supersedes the flag codes.  

Now, if that "speech" gets you an ass-whuppin' (as long as it isn't the government doing the whupping) well nobody ever said freedom was free; you probably deserved it anyway.  And get a haircut!
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« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2019, 11:16:58 PM »

Does the rainbow flag have a fringe?

Seems like flags with fringes was a bone of contention around here recently.
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« Reply #21 on: June 12, 2019, 04:25:15 AM »

Too bad the flag codes have been ignored for years now. Burning flags, throwing them on the ground and stomping/burning/spitting on them, using them as articles of clothing, flying other countries flags above it (mexican for example) and more in the name of 1st Amendment rights.

Burn an American Flag and youĺll maybe get a few dirty looks, burn a rainbow flag and youĺll lose your job, and your family will receive death threats.

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« Reply #22 on: June 12, 2019, 05:16:57 AM »

Burn an American Flag and youĺll maybe get a few dirty looks, burn a rainbow flag and youĺll lose your job, and your family will receive death threats.

We live in clown world.

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« Reply #23 on: June 12, 2019, 05:37:51 AM »

Burn an American Flag and youĺll maybe get a few dirty looks, burn a rainbow flag and youĺll lose your job, and your family will receive death threats.

We live in clown world.

Probably because burning a rainbow flag would be similar to burning a cross, it is seen as a symbol of hate.

Burning the US Flag by an American Citizen is usually done as a protest to something the government has done. I'm not talking about radicals burning US Flags in other countries.
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« Reply #24 on: June 12, 2019, 05:40:27 AM »

Probably because burning a rainbow flag would be similar to burning a cross, it is seen as a symbol of hate.

Burning the US Flag by an American Citizen is usually done as a protest to something the government has done. I'm not talking about radicals burning US Flags in other countries.

Many on the American left see the American flag as a symbol of hate and oppression.
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