No Citizenship Question on the Census

[Ben]

Well, the census is going to press sans a citizenship question. I would protest by not filling mine out, but that would only help the people who want to pack the population counts of their liberal districts with illegals. Now that I live in a free state, I wonder if I should fill it out with household=97 to help get ID another seat in congress?

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2019/07/02/huge-if-true-doj-email-confirms-the-2020-census-form-will-be-printed-without-the-citizenship-question/

[grampster]

It would seem to me to be unconstitutional to NOT have the citizenship question as the census is supposed to count citizens.  Plus, why would having that question on the census be a threat to an illegal alien?  They either would not answer the census or would lie and say yes. 

[HankB]

It would seem to me to be unconstitutional to NOT have the citizenship question as the census is supposed to count citizens.  Plus, why would having that question on the census be a threat to an illegal alien?  They either would not answer the census or would lie and say yes. 

If an illegal alien lied, he's be illegally breaking the law, and as we've been told innumerable times, illegal aliens don't do illegal things.

[Scout26]

Roberts let us down again...

[Ben]

Roberts let us down again...

I read yesterday that this may not be a done deal yet. Apparently Trump is looking at an EO. Not sure how kosher that is, but it will be interesting to watch.

[WLJ]

I read yesterday that this may not be a done deal yet. Apparently Trump is looking at an EO. Not sure how kosher that is, but it will be interesting to watch.

From what I'm reading he is going to do it but that in of itself won't override the ruling but would give more ammo so to speak in a court case.

[Scout26]

Use the 14th Amendment.

Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

[Angel Eyes]

I read yesterday that this may not be a done deal yet. Apparently Trump is looking at an EO. Not sure how kosher that is, but it will be interesting to watch.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/trump-says-he-is-thinking-of-executive-order-to-revive-census-citizenship-question/2019/07/05/d3ec5986-9f20-11e9-9ed4-c9089972ad5a_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8f0e6e50155d

So far, he seems to be thinking about it.

[Ben]

Pelosi appears to have stepped in it:

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/07/08/this-is-disgraceful-nancy-pelosi-unleashes-her-inner-racist-with-this-take-on-the-us-census-citizenship-question/

I also recently saw a poll (from a non-conservative pollster) that had something like 57% of people in favor of a citizenship question with only like 20% opposed.

[Chester32141]

BREAKING: Attorney General Bill Barr Says He Found a “Pathway” to Put Citizenship Question Back in the Census

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/07/breaking-attorney-general-bill-barr-says-he-found-a-pathway-to-put-citizenship-question-back-in-the-census/

[HeroHog]

I'm just going to sign it and turn it back in.

[Ben]

I'm just going to sign it and turn it back in.

The problem with that is that it can be good or bad depending on where you live. If you live in a region/state with a lot of illegals that will fill out the form without the citizenship question, then by not participating in the census, you are "cancelling out" their vote so to speak. If you live in a region/state that has few illegal aliens, you want to fill it out so that you contribute to potentially adding more representation in Congress, or protecting your current representation.

I believe there are several states that are on the cusp of getting an extra congresscritter taken from another state. IIRC, the new congresscritter will likely end up dem in most of them, partially bolstered by non-citizen participation in the census if there is no citizenship question.

I believe the largest potential seat gains will be in Florida and Texas. Lots of conservatives move to those states, but then so do many liberals, and they both have likely high illegal populations.

[MechAg94]

IMO, you should participate in the census.  However, IMO, you can do that without answering 200 questions. 

[cordex]

IMO, you should participate in the census.  However, IMO, you can do that without answering 200 questions. 

Last time around I honestly reported the number of people in my household.  I figure that's sufficient.

[WLJ]

Another Obama appointee

A Federal Judge Put Up Another Roadblock Against Trump's Citizenship Question For 2020 Census
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2019/07/09/federal-judge-to-trump-doj-you-cant-change-legal-teams-for-the-2020-census-case-n2549805

[MechAg94]

Last time around I honestly reported the number of people in my household.  I figure that's sufficient.

Last time, I actually had a guy who came by the house asking more questions.  I think as soon as I opened the door, he could answser half of them.  He was apologetic and just asked a handful of questions.  Apparently, he was supposed to select a certain number of people and ask follow up questions every few months for a year (do you still live at the same address, do you still work for the same company, etc - nothing real personal).  I gave him my cell number and he never came back, just called me a couple times at intervals.  I didn't care for it, but I figured the guy handled it about as well as he could have.

[HeroHog]

My father was a census taker one year. Wish I could remember the tales he had from that experience. Just know this, in the end, it's a joke. May as well just guess.

[Ron]

So we count the population but aren’t interested in how many are actually citizens?

How is that even called a US census?

Every day we wake up and are expected to believe, hold and promote two opposite ideas simultaneously on multiple topics.

It’s easier to manipulate people who cannot think straight.

[brimic]

Lefty- we must register and track all firearms sales to prevent crime, and no these records won't be used for confiscation purposes.
Also lefty- we must not keep any paperwork on illegal aliens, because it will be used to deport them.

[HeroHog]

Stealing yer quote!

[TommyGunn]

My father was a census taker one year. Wish I could remember the tales he had from that experience. Just know this, in the end, it's a joke. May as well just guess.

I did the 2000 census.   I won't say it was a"joke"  but it definatly had screwed up aspects.  One street had MISSING  STREET NUMBERS,  and what it did have had no rational order.  
Another street  lacked the address listed on the form;   neighbors had no clue who the person named was,  and outright said there was no address like that, ever.  
We had a certain no. of long forms.  It's surprising what people will tell you.  Waaaaaaaay  more than I would.   Others won't talk to you at all for the short form.  But their neighbor will ......

....... Play nice with those around you .....

Oh.  Beware of the dogs, too.  

[Ben]

I did the census one year too...

https://archive.org/details/TheThreeStooges050NoCensusNoFeeling1940CurlyLarryMoeDaBaron16m37s

[HeroHog]

Dad was doing this in Baton Rough, LA.

[K Frame]

So we count the population but aren’t interested in how many are actually citizens?

How is that even called a US census?

Every day we wake up and are expected to believe, hold and promote two opposite ideas simultaneously on multiple topics.

It’s easier to manipulate people who cannot think straight.

Because the Article I, Section 2, of the Constitution makes no reference to the people being counted being citizens. Only free people.

As reported, the results of the Census also didn't reference which individuals counted were citizens vs. non-citizens.

As far as I can tell it wasn't until the 1820 census that a count was made of "foreigners not naturalized."

[WLJ]

Can it be called ironic that the same people who screamed the loudest, and still are, about interference in the 2016 election are the very same people making interference in our elections as easy as possible?