Jeffrey Epstein arrested for sex trafficking

[Andiron]

Barbells falling from the sky...

[gunsmith]

i thought it would never make mainstream press.
youtube malcontent Mike Cernovich has been talking about this for yrs.
he filed the initial lawsuit afaik the miami herald took it up after.
the list of both R's and D's and upper echelon PD is horrible and interesting.

I recall bill clinton rape/assaults - i would not be surprised if he threatened teen girls after raping them.
i wouldn't be surprised if he killed one or three.

i also will not be surprised to see this go nowhere - even if they're all guilty.

Actually, i was surprised to see dershowitch involvement

[Ron]

The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.

[MechAg94]

I heard on the radio that the authorities seized a porn collection that included teenage girls as young as 12.  I heard no mention of the sexual partner/predators that they were with in the videos.

I am curious where this is going also.  I am also doubtful anyone of consequence will go down over it.  If not, hopefully someone will leak the information (I don't want to see the video).  

[brimic]

The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread, but I haven't followed Q lately.
They kind of lost me at 50K+ federal indictments for sex trafficking, but no follow through in over a year.

[Ron]

First thing I thought of when I saw this thread, but I haven't followed Q lately.
They kind of lost me at 50K+ federal indictments for sex trafficking, but no follow through in over a year.

I follow a couple blogs that comment on Q and the anons.

The couple times I checked out the anons and Q it seemed mostly incoherent and purposefully vague.

There is a lot of propaganda, disinformation, fog of war, smoke and mirrors in the political sphere currently.

Who knows what to believe?

The best judgement we can make is who is doing what and what are they actually accomplishing?

By that standard Trump is still a white hat.

[Pb]

Q is a just a troll doing cold reading.

[Ron]

Q is a just a troll doing cold reading.

Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.

[brimic]

Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.

It's all too time consuming for me to follow. I remember just before the 2016 election, this man, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Pieczenik , put out a series of videos detailing a battle between the deep state and 'White Hats' inside the NSA for control of the country, coup, and counter-coup. On the eve of the election, he was also predicting with certainty that Trump was going to win, and that we have all been grossly mislead by the media propaganda machine.

The things he said jive very closely with the whole Q message.

[Pb]

Not likely

Considering the information warfare being waged on the public through modern media the whole Q thing feels like opposition propaganda.

This is all 4th generation warfare stuff outside my understanding.

All of modern media is a giant cesspool of evolutionary psychology and influence techniques being practiced on the public. Advertising, political ads, entertainment designed for reshaping mores and norms, rewriting history, rewriting the present etc. The “science” of propaganda and influence is more sophisticated than most folks realize.

I find it really hard to believe that a media phenomena like Q that succeeds is organic.

If Q started off as a larper it has since been co-opted for “the cause”, IMHO.

Propaganda can be incoherent, vague and not true and still have its intended effect.

So, what is the goal of Q now?

[Ron]

So, what is the goal of Q now?

I have no idea.

Like brimic, some guys I read online are Q guys and they keep pumping out real interesting stuff that frequently ends up front page stories months later.

How much is true? How much is disinformation? Who it is or what the endgame is?

Couldn’t tell you.

Q purportedly is an insider working to drain the swamp. For however long he’s been around there has been a promise of a game changing “Storm” that will reveal the widespread corruption and treason in our government.

That’s about the extent of my knowledge of Q.

Knowing what I do know about propaganda, influence and the use of psychology upon the public it looks a lot like dissident propaganda meant to puncture and poke holes in the mainstream media narrative.

[brimic]

Knowing what I do know about propaganda, influence and the use of psychology upon the public it looks a lot like dissident propaganda meant to puncture and poke holes in the mainstream media narrative.

If anything, Q and Trump have pretty much discredited any shred of integrity that the MSM may have had. A large portion of the country now is outwardly hostile or at least distrusting toward the media.

[Ron]

Acosta claims he was told to stand down, Epstein was intelligences.


http://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/

[brimic]

Acosta claims he was told to stand down, Epstein was intelligences.


http://www.unz.com/isteve/jeffrey-epstein-and-foreign-intelligence/

I suppose if he were able to blackmail dozens, if not hundreds of important government officials around the world, it was very important that he be left alone.

[brimic]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Blondiedez/status/1147897801197662208/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1147897801197662208&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rt.com%2Fusa%2F463794-clinton-epstein-whitewashed-wikipedia-google%2F

[p12]

The Qverse is blowing up claiming this is the beginning of the promised Storm.

They claim there are videos, lots of videos.

We’ll see.

It would be nice if that which is good, beautiful and true won one for a change.

What is this Qverse you speak of?

[Ron]

What is this Qverse you speak of?

That weird universe devoted to q on reddit, Twitter, gab and various blogs etc.

[brimic]

What is this Qverse you speak of?

Its a long string of cryptic messages from 'Q' speaking of overturning the NWO, vampire lizard aliens that live underground, satanic child sacrifice/sex trafficking rings of the elite, and other weird stuff. 'Q' seems to be very close to Trump as they often put out very specific quotes or imagery that show up with minutes or hours later in a Trump tweet or campaign speech.
Most of it seems to be misdirection, but there is enough 'coincidences' that show up tied to 'Q' posts, that the leftist media is apoplectic over 'Q', and a lot of Trump supporters spend a lot of time trying to decrypt, decypher, or rationalize every word put out by 'Q.'

[Ben]

I still fail to understand the connection between Acosta the attorney and Acosta the Labor Secretary. He had bosses directing him when he was a gov attorney, and, as posted above, there was very likely high level pressure regarding the case at the time, given who all might be implicated. Also (IANAL), perhaps there really wasn't enough concrete evidence to prosecute, or perhaps they did the "first degree murder instead of manslaughter" thing where they could have proved "manslaughter" but somebody wanted to shoot for "murder", and the evidence just wasn't there for the more serious crime (even if everybody knew the more serious crime was committed).

People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.

[brimic]

The left will do some amazing verbal gymnastics to tie anything evil to Trump, after all, he isn't a reincarnation of Hitler, is is actually Hitler to them.

OTOH, if Trump were found to be a child diddler like a lot of elite government officials around the world, I wouldn't want him spared either.

[cordex]

I still fail to understand the connection between Acosta the attorney and Acosta the Labor Secretary. He had bosses directing him when he was a gov attorney, and, as posted above, there was very likely high level pressure regarding the case at the time, given who all might be implicated. Also (IANAL), perhaps there really wasn't enough concrete evidence to prosecute, or perhaps they did the "first degree murder instead of manslaughter" thing where they could have proved "manslaughter" but somebody wanted to shoot for "murder", and the evidence just wasn't there for the more serious crime (even if everybody knew the more serious crime was committed).

People like Schumer are making a bigger deal about Acosta than they are about Epstein.

If Acosta kid-gloved Epstein because of Epstein's powerful friends or out of any corruption then he should be held responsible and I don't care who his current boss is.  If his argument is that he was just following orders then I would hope he'd expose the people who put pressure on him to give Epstein a sweetheart plea deal.

Yes, the bad pun was intentional.

[MechAg94]

The left will do some amazing verbal gymnastics to tie anything evil to Trump, after all, he isn't a reincarnation of Hitler, is is actually Hitler to them.

OTOH, if Trump were found to be a child diddler like a lot of elite government officials around the world, I wouldn't want him spared either.

The OTOH is pointless to even mention since there is no evidence or really even rumor that Trump has ever done this.  His tastes seem to be toward adult women and maybe porn stars.  

Yes, the left will do what they will do because to them the ends justify the means.  If they convince themselves their opponent is Hitler or Satan, then that justifies all sorts of things in the quest to get rid of him.  The sad part is they ignore and/or tolerate a lot of actual evil in going after their opponent. 

[Ron]

Interesting take I just ran across.

Epstein being arrested now is a firebreak line.

His circle of evil perverts realized they were still under threat, particularly because details from his previous sweetheart deal were going to be unsealed.

The presiding judge on this case = Clinton appointee

One of the leading prosecutors on the case = The daughter of James Comey.

They struck first to contain the damage.

Epstein might even offer some sacrificial lambs who either know little to nothing or who can be trusted not to flip.

[brimic]

Interesting take I just ran across.

Epstein being arrested now is a firebreak line.

His circle of evil perverts realized they were still under threat, particularly because details from his previous sweetheart deal were going to be unsealed.

The presiding judge on this case = Clinton appointee

One of the leading prosecutors on the case = The daughter of James Comey.

They struck first to contain the damage.

Epstein might even offer some sacrificial lambs who either know little to nothing or who can be trusted not to flip.

ugh. At this point, I'd be good with Epstein being black bagged, flown to gitmo, and having all of his contacts beaten out of him, and they in turn, get black bagged too.
Yeah, its against our constitution, and trampling rights, but when faced with pure evil, we shouldn't be arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

[MillCreek]

ugh. At this point, I'd be good with Epstein being black bagged, flown to gitmo, and having all of his contacts beaten out of him, and they in turn, get black bagged too.
Yeah, its against our constitution, and trampling rights, but when faced with pure evil, we shouldn't be arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

I myself would argue that is exactly the time when we should be following the rule of law. Had we been able to capture Bin Laden alive, I would have been thrilled to see him on trial in Federal Court in NYC and then left to rot in a clean, well-lighted cell at the Florence Supermax or left to contemplate his remaining days on Death Row at Terre Haute.  I suspect that between the various state and Federal actions, the truth will out with Mr. Epstein.

Edited to add: I Googled Terre Haute and was interested to see there are a little over 50 people on the Federal death row, and the last execution was back in 2003.  I wonder if there is some sort of official or unofficial moratorium on the penalty since some of the people there were sentenced to death over 20 years ago, and I would have thought their appeals would have run out by now.