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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #125 on: December 31, 2019, 10:50:12 AM »
I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.

Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #126 on: December 31, 2019, 10:56:04 AM »
Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?

And also - I don't know the mechanics of it - how easy is it for him to do? Any potential unintended consequences?

I ask this while at the same time liking the idea.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #127 on: December 31, 2019, 11:44:53 AM »
Does he have any advisers smart enough to remind him he can do that?

Pretty sure he does .....
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #128 on: December 31, 2019, 11:47:15 AM »
I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent.  It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #129 on: December 31, 2019, 11:52:12 AM »
I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent.  It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.

IIRC Eisenhower nationalized guard to protect schools and enforce desegregation 60 years ago .... I doubt he asked state pefmission...

If it turns out he needs permission .... I suppose Trump could order in the U. S. Army to stop the NG  .... which would be quite interesting.   I have NO IDEA if Trump would do this.   
It presents a rather dark picture of what would be an ugly development, though .... =|
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #130 on: December 31, 2019, 11:55:21 AM »
I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent.  It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.

I think that changed in 2007, and yes he can.  The John Warner Defense Authorization Act of 2007.  That's from a quick search online and I haven't dug into it yet in much depth (like does Congress have to declare an emergency) but all 50 governors were pissed off about it.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #131 on: December 31, 2019, 11:59:35 AM »
I'm not certain the National Guard can be federalized without the states consent.  It's a murky area of mixed funding and authority, and I'm not Guard, but I seem to recall some legal classes where they said the state had to sign off on the call up.

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's the case. There is at least one instance which is directly onpoint...

In 1957 Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called up the Arkansas National Guard to prevent black students from enrolling in/attending Little Rock High School. In doing so Faubus was directly contradicting a Federal integration order.

President Eisenhower federalized the Guard, effectively removing them from Faubus' control, and ordered troops back to their armories and sent in units from the 101st Airborne Division to maintain civil order and protect the black students.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #132 on: December 31, 2019, 12:50:47 PM »
I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think that's the case. There is at least one instance which is directly onpoint...

In 1957 Arkansas Governor Orville Faubus called up the Arkansas National Guard to prevent black students from enrolling in/attending Little Rock High School. In doing so Faubus was directly contradicting a Federal integration order.

President Eisenhower federalized the Guard, effectively removing them from Faubus' control, and ordered troops back to their armories and sent in units from the 101st Airborne Division to maintain civil order and protect the black students.

Eisenhower may have exceeded his authority when he did so.  It still sets a precedent.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #134 on: December 31, 2019, 08:55:28 PM »
I suspect (hope?) that if the Governor were to mobilize the Virginia contingent of the National Guard to pull this crap that Trump would nationalize the guard and order them to stand down.

It has been done in the past and according to the Constitution, Congress has to provide for calling forth the militia. Does that law that was passed in 2007 constitute that provision? Does it still or did it sunset? Just curious.

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #135 on: December 31, 2019, 10:44:30 PM »
It has been done in the past and according to the Constitution, Congress has to provide for calling forth the militia. Does that law that was passed in 2007 constitute that provision? Does it still or did it sunset? Just curious.

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #136 on: December 31, 2019, 10:46:45 PM »
The Constitution? Is that still a thing?

Obviously, things can be ignored by the government whenever convenient.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #137 on: January 01, 2020, 11:42:21 AM »
Obviously, things can be ignored by the government whenever convenient.

I think you're right. Isn't that in the "Why Bother" clause?  :old: Or is it in the "What the F*** For" clause?  :facepalm:

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #138 on: January 02, 2020, 11:44:12 AM »
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #139 on: January 07, 2020, 12:20:33 AM »
A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #140 on: January 07, 2020, 08:11:23 AM »
https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB567/2020


That bill is designed to do one thing and one thing only... shut down the NRA Range. It's punitive. NRA needs to fight the hell out of that one.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #141 on: January 07, 2020, 09:07:02 AM »
I think you're right. Isn't that in the "Why Bother" clause?  :old: Or is it in the "What the F*** For" clause?  :facepalm:

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I thought it might be the "What difference, at this point, does it make?" clause. 
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #142 on: January 07, 2020, 09:09:22 AM »
If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #143 on: January 07, 2020, 09:15:32 AM »
If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?
I recall when Obama mentioned creating some sort of peace corps type organization that was as powerful as the military.  That might be one way.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #144 on: January 07, 2020, 09:54:46 AM »
That bill is designed to do one thing and one thing only... shut down the NRA Range. It's punitive. NRA needs to fight the hell out of that one.

The fact that it'll produce a list of people who go shooting at the government owned ranges is a bonus.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #145 on: January 07, 2020, 09:56:08 AM »
If the dumb-o-crats in Virginia wanted to foment armed rebellion what do you think they could do differently?

That is what they are counting on, a violent emotional response they can parlay into their propaganda narrative of disarming the public.

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #146 on: January 07, 2020, 10:46:10 AM »
I just don't think it'll work out like they think it will.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #147 on: January 07, 2020, 10:58:57 AM »
Next thing you know they'll start requiring a valid current ID, which we all know is racist, to purchase a gun.

 Oh wait.....
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #148 on: January 07, 2020, 05:15:58 PM »
Now one of the VA retards has introduced a bill to require VA’s electoral votes to follow the “popular vote”...just like CO.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #149 on: January 08, 2020, 12:47:48 AM »
Now one of the VA retards has introduced a bill to require VA’s electoral votes to follow the “popular vote”...just like CO.

I hope stuff like this really drives the state red for a long time.
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