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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #200 on: January 17, 2020, 01:08:24 PM »
A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #201 on: January 17, 2020, 03:54:16 PM »
Agent provocateurs?

Even if they have common cause with the pro-RKBA crowd, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Antifa, given their track record.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #202 on: January 17, 2020, 04:01:59 PM »
Agent provocateurs?

Even if they have common cause with the pro-RKBA crowd, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near Antifa, given their track record.


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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #203 on: January 17, 2020, 04:22:30 PM »
Anything they do will be Trump's fault

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #204 on: January 17, 2020, 04:36:22 PM »
We are witness to the systematic elimination of the right/conservative movement's ability to exercise their 1st Amendment rights to peaceably assemble.
We know damn good and well that any conservative assembly has a high probability of being "protested" and likely violently by the left. We've seen venues cancel conservative speakers because of "security threats".  We saw in Charlottesville that the police, at the probably instructions of city government facilitated violent confrontations between opposing groups.
If the demonstrations go on in Richmond as planned I expect at least some violence. It will be telling to see how the police respond.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #205 on: January 17, 2020, 05:23:58 PM »
We are witness to the systematic elimination of the right/conservative movement's ability to exercise their 1st Amendment rights to peaceably assemble.

We shouldn't be defeatist about this. Yes, there are awful things going on, but this isn't predetermined. It's not over.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #206 on: January 17, 2020, 06:58:44 PM »
We shouldn't be defeatist about this. Yes, there are awful things going on, but this isn't predetermined. It's not over.

I'm actually hopeful that this will be a large enough peaceful protest that, coupled with all the local governments supporting them, it will possibly put the kibosh on the commies.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #207 on: January 17, 2020, 07:44:34 PM »
I'm actually hopeful that this will be a large enough peaceful protest that, coupled with all the local governments supporting them, it will possibly put the kibosh on the commies.

The event is to be in Richmond. I doubt the local government is sympathetic to the VCDL cause.
I'm really hoping this will fizzle out but it has the makings of an epic shitshow.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #208 on: January 17, 2020, 08:10:10 PM »
the ban on helmets and shields will limit antifa, is it illegal to wear a mask tho?
 No one I know in NV is tracking this at all, its not on national news enough to grab the attention
of my coworkers, mostly conservative guys.
What I have seen is the dinosaur media is trying to turn this into Charlotetsville 2.0
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #209 on: January 17, 2020, 09:21:49 PM »
the ban on helmets and shields will limit antifa, is it illegal to wear a mask tho?
 No one I know in NV is tracking this at all, its not on national news enough to grab the attention
of my coworkers, mostly conservative guys.
What I have seen is the dinosaur media is trying to turn this into Charlotetsville 2.0

The forecast says sunny, with a high of 40 degrees. Do you think they'll try to enforce a ban on masks?
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #210 on: January 18, 2020, 08:13:37 AM »
So the FBI is involved in this, and I don't know, it all sounds a little fishy.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-second-amendment-gun-rights-rally
https://www.foxnews.com/us/fbi-arrests-white-supremacist-group-links-ahead-virginia-pro-gun-rally

Maybe these guys are evil white supremacist criminals who were out to start trouble. Does that necessarily tie them to the protestors in VA? The charges appear, to say the least, vague:

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The complaint charged Canadian national Patrik Jordan Mathews, 27, and Brian Mark Lemley Jr., 33, of Elkton, Md., with transporting a firearm and ammunition with intent to commit a felony. William Garfield Bilbrough IV, 19, of Denton, Md., was charged with “transporting and harboring aliens.”


I'm not sure what our laws are regarding non-citizens transporting firearms. It sounds like there was just a firearm in the car. Did they read their minds regarding "intent to commit a felony"? The other guy appears to have been arrested just for driving the car.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #211 on: January 18, 2020, 08:44:11 AM »
It is pretty much expected that the gun free zone will be used to funnel the pro gun protesters into Antfia.
Take that for what it's worth.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #212 on: January 18, 2020, 08:57:11 AM »
It is pretty much expected that the gun free zone will be used to funnel the pro gun protesters into Antfia.
Take that for what it's worth.

I still hate antifa, but it would be pleasantly interesting if this happened:

https://youtu.be/XT47PqawyNg?t=66

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #213 on: January 18, 2020, 10:56:34 AM »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Il0KO9vpsBA
 Mrgunsngear has done a couple updates for the rally on Monday.  In this one, he put up a map showing where he was planning to meet up.  I believe he said he had no intention of going into the "free speech zone" where he had to be disarmed. 
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #214 on: January 18, 2020, 02:01:23 PM »
The forecast says sunny, with a high of 40 degrees. Do you think they'll try to enforce a ban on masks?

40 degrees is not cold.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #215 on: January 18, 2020, 03:33:06 PM »
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #216 on: January 18, 2020, 04:19:27 PM »
Uh....

OK

40 degrees is like hoodie sweatshirt weather, perfect.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #217 on: January 18, 2020, 04:34:35 PM »
40 degrees is like hoodie sweatshirt weather, perfect.

OK, charby will be in charge of the dress code for Richmond, then. Is it OK to wear Realtree with plaid?
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« Reply #218 on: January 18, 2020, 04:36:14 PM »
40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #219 on: January 18, 2020, 04:40:36 PM »
40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.

Ugh, yes. We had 40 deg with 30-40mph wind a couple of days ago. I'll take zero degrees and no wind over that any day of the week.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #220 on: January 18, 2020, 04:42:07 PM »
OK, charby will be in charge of the dress code for Richmond, then. Is it OK to wear Realtree with plaid?

no deer skin with your coon skin cap.

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« Reply #221 on: January 18, 2020, 04:42:50 PM »
40F, calm and clement weather is quite different than 40F, windy and inclement weather.

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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #222 on: January 18, 2020, 04:52:53 PM »
Man, this Bill Kristol guy has just totally lost it. I seem to remember him as pretty far right, but Trump really broke him. He still claims to be right/Republican, but then he said this in response to Trump's tweet supporting protestors in VA:

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   Our second amendment isn't under attack. Our state may well be under attack, though, if violent mobs succeed in assembling in Richmond Monday. A normal president would urge calm and offer assistance. But that is the way of a president, not of a demagogue. https://t.co/LXS4Mtlbja

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How the *expletive deleted*ck is the 2nd not under direct attack in VA?

EDIT: And by the way, when was the last time a president openly supported pro 2nd Amendment protestors? Even if they claimed to be pro 2nd,  I don't recall the Bushes or Reagan giving encouragement to people fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights. Gotta give Trump kudos here.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #223 on: January 18, 2020, 05:01:12 PM »
Man, this Bill Kristol guy has just totally lost it. I seem to remember him as pretty far right, but Trump really broke him. He still claims to be right/Republican, but then he said this in response to Trump's tweet supporting protestors in VA:

How the *expletive deleted*ck is the 2nd not under direct attack in VA?

EDIT: And by the way, when was the last time a president openly supported pro 2nd Amendment protestors? Even if they claimed to be pro 2nd,  I don't recall the Bushes or Reagan giving encouragement to people fighting for their 2nd Amendment rights. Gotta give Trump kudos here.

First, 2nd, 4th, and parts of the 5th Amendments are all under attack here at the same time.  (if they could figure out a way to attack the 3rd they probably would do that too)  The 2nd is just drawing the attention.  Nobody else seems to see that :/  I bet they are also violating the Virginia state constitution, but I have no direct knowledge of that.
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Re: Welp, Virginia is screwed
« Reply #224 on: January 18, 2020, 05:39:03 PM »
First, 2nd, 4th, and parts of the 5th Amendments are all under attack here at the same time.  (if they could figure out a way to attack the 3rd they probably would do that too)  The 2nd is just drawing the attention.  Nobody else seems to see that :/  I bet they are also violating the Virginia state constitution, but I have no direct knowledge of that.

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Section 7. Laws should not be suspended.
That all power of suspending laws, or the execution of laws, by any authority, without consent of the
representatives of the people, is injurious to their rights, and ought not to be exercised.

Section 13. Militia; standing armies; military subordinate to civil power.
That a well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and
safe defense of a free state, therefore, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; that
standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should
be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.

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