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« Reply #175 on: January 15, 2020, 05:00:29 PM »

Governor Northam declares a state of emergency to thwart pro-2A demonstration on the 20th:

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency/65-e88451aa-ab3e-4de0-9e01-a1533a0b88e9

Uh-huh ...

Riiiight ....

Of course.  Can't have those unwashed rednecks exercising their Constitutional rights, can we?

Oath Keepers are far-right?

Of course, when no violence materializes, the governor will claim his state of emergency prevented it.




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« Reply #176 on: January 15, 2020, 05:07:29 PM »

Oath Keepers are far-right?

Because you know, the constitution is a far right racist document written by old rich white men and we need to impeach Trump to protect it from Oath Keepers. Or something like that
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« Reply #177 on: January 15, 2020, 07:03:23 PM »

Northam's Twitter account is getting lit up:

https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1217538459793010688

One of the comments:  "Virginia Code 44-146.15 says you can't do that."

Can someone familiar with the Virginia Code elaborate?

ETA:   https://law.onecle.com/virginia/military-and-emergency-laws/44-146.15.html

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Nothing in this chapter is to be construed to:
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(3) Empower the Governor, any political subdivision, or any other governmental authority to in any way limit the rights of the people to keep and bear arms as guaranteed by Article I, Section 13 of the Constitution of Virginia or the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States, including the lawful possession, sale, or transfer of firearms except to the extent necessary to ensure public safety in any place or facility designated or used by the Governor, any political subdivision of the Commonwealth or any other governmental entity as an emergency shelter or for the purpose of sheltering persons;

Presumably Northam will claim that the "extent necessary to ensure public safety" justifies his emergency order.
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« Reply #178 on: January 15, 2020, 07:13:22 PM »

I just learned of the state of emergency sham. Utterly shameless.
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« Reply #179 on: January 15, 2020, 08:38:28 PM »

https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB569/2020
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« Reply #180 on: January 16, 2020, 03:44:18 AM »

If you wanted to create a combustible situation with a high likelihood of conflict what would you do differently?

VA needs right wing violence against the state to fully justify their coming actions.
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« Reply #181 on: January 16, 2020, 05:09:40 AM »

Here's another one of Helmer's bill...

https://legiscan.com/VA/bill/HB568/2020

I'm not exactly sure what I'm reading. Can anyone figure it out? It almost seems that it's saying that anyone in a moving vehicle, even a person with a CCW, has to secure the gun in a locked container.

In other words, you can't CCW in your car. Is that what this is saying?
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« Reply #182 on: January 16, 2020, 05:10:29 AM »

You know, we (gunowners and 2A supporters) often talk about what we will do and what will happen when the commie pinkos finally put that last straw on the camel's back that shows them who the majority are. VA may be a real world first run.

Not to mean shots fired, but pushback against the overreach. This may be a first run of, "I know i have a comfortable life and don't want to deal with the legal system, but this is worth it." It would be awesome to see 1000 people show up with holstered handguns and slung rifles. VA residents (including possibly law enforcement) may be just fired up enough to do it.
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« Reply #183 on: January 16, 2020, 05:11:04 AM »

Northam's Twitter account is getting lit up:

https://twitter.com/GovernorVA/status/1217538459793010688

One of the comments:  "Virginia Code 44-146.15 says you can't do that."

Can someone familiar with the Virginia Code elaborate?

ETA:   https://law.onecle.com/virginia/military-and-emergency-laws/44-146.15.html

Presumably Northam will claim that the "extent necessary to ensure public safety" justifies his emergency order.


The text CLEARLY states it can only be enacted within an emergency shelter. But, of course, the left will gleefully ignore any law standing in their way and then (as we have seen in this very instance) get really angry when the right starts to do that to their laws.
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« Reply #184 on: January 16, 2020, 05:15:01 AM »

I hope that West Virginia starts to push this type of thing more:

https://www.wvgazettemail.com/news/legislative_session/lawmakers-revive-invitation-for-virginia-county-to-join-west-virginia/article_ccfd5a5c-68d9-584f-b7ab-1ec62647d069.html

https://pluralist.com/west-virginia-invites-virginia-counties-secede-gun-laws/44433/

It would be very funny if "West Virginia" doubles in size as a result of this.
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« Reply #185 on: January 16, 2020, 05:56:24 AM »

The text CLEARLY states it can only be enacted within an emergency shelter. But, of course, the left will gleefully ignore any law standing in their way and then (as we have seen in this very instance) get really angry when the right starts to do that to their laws.


Has anyone heard of anyone trying to take the Gov to court over it?
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« Reply #186 on: January 16, 2020, 06:00:27 AM »

OK, just found this in a Richmond Times Dispatch article: https://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/northam-declares-state-of-emergency-imposes-temporary-gun-ban-for/article_22db22fd-ad59-5a5c-ad78-0b1917ba8c4e.html


"VCDL President Philip Van Cleave said in an interview Wednesday that he has encouraged peaceful demonstrations by rally participants. At the same time, he said the group plans to challenge Northamĺs decision, which he believes goes beyond the governorĺs legal authority.

ôWe believe it is illegal what he is doing,ö Van Cleave said. ôAt this point, weĺre going to try to take the governor to court. So it may mean guns arenĺt banned on Monday.ö

ôThe rally is going on no matter what.ö




And, nice...


"Northam added that he believed the VCDL ômay have unleashed something much larger, something they may not be able to control.ö

Van Cleave pushed back on Northamĺs statement.

ôExcuse me, the governor caused all of this stuff,ö Van Cleave said. ôThis is on him, not on us. All of these people are stirred up because of what he is doing, trying to remove guns from law-abiding citizens.ö

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« Reply #187 on: January 16, 2020, 08:12:26 AM »

There's a petition to have northam impeached:  https://www.change.org/p/united-states-supreme-court-impeachment-of-virginia-governor-northam-for-infringing-on-2nd-amendment-rights

I don't think that's how impeachment works, but it's interesting to see the number of signers climb . . . .
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« Reply #188 on: January 16, 2020, 09:42:57 AM »


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« Reply #189 on: January 16, 2020, 09:45:03 AM »

I don't know why they picked MLK day, because many of the state workers and elected officials have it as a paid holiday.
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« Reply #190 on: January 16, 2020, 02:57:49 PM »

I don't know why they picked MLK day, because many of the state workers and elected officials have it as a paid holiday.

The state legislature works and traditionally its considered lobby day in the state, because many constituents have it off.
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« Reply #191 on: January 16, 2020, 03:04:50 PM »

The state legislature works and traditionally its considered lobby day in the state, because many constituents have it off.

Did not know that, our legiscritters are off work that day.
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« Reply #192 on: January 16, 2020, 05:41:05 PM »

Think it goes back to Virginia's contentious relationship with MLK day. For awhile the official state holiday was Lee Jackson King Day and not for Spike and Michael. But yeah, always on MLK day is lobby day. I have been to a gun rally there before, can't this time, two jobs.
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« Reply #193 on: January 16, 2020, 06:36:13 PM »

I hope right-leaning voters around the country remember this as we head into November. Do NOT fail to vote, or take a chance on voting Democrat! Don't let your state be the next domino!
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« Reply #194 on: January 16, 2020, 08:54:46 PM »

I hope right-leaning voters around the country remember this as we head into November. Do NOT fail to vote, or take a chance on voting Democrat! Don't let your state be the next domino!
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« Reply #195 on: January 17, 2020, 04:37:04 AM »

Whelp, a judge yesterday denied to overturn Northham's overreach, so VCDL is going to appeal.
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« Reply #196 on: January 17, 2020, 06:33:02 AM »

I'm going in for rotator cuff surgery Monday, should have some interesting news to wake up to.
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« Reply #197 on: January 17, 2020, 06:50:12 AM »

My fear is that someone a bit on the radical left side of things will be in the crowd and open fire to cause an incident. More laws that will make what they're proposing/passing now seem tame in comparison will thus be needed to prevent it from happening again.
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« Reply #198 on: January 17, 2020, 07:27:29 AM »

The event is ripe for a false flag incident.

The Democrats have seriously gone crazy.

Nothing is business as usual in the political realm anymore.

There are a lot of high stakes maneuvers taking place.

Just my random morning thoughts ...
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« Reply #199 on: January 17, 2020, 10:04:22 AM »

Matt Bracken offers his opinion

https://www.americanpartisan.org/2020/01/richmond-the-mother-of-all-buffalo-jumps/?fbclid=IwAR3QCW6sUmZOZk5Vx4jZa89JjoaZtzTIqpxYhefWoBtduZIL_ZGTbJUjumg
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