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« on: February 26, 2020, 05:10:47 AM »

So my predictions about this election have been spectacularly wrong1, but that's not going to stop me from making more!

I think Bernie doesn't want to be the nominee and has made a deal with the DNC to REALLY push socialism, so that when he loses (by chicanery or honestly loses), they can claim their nominee is a "moderate" because he (or she, Warren and Klobuchar are still out there) hasn't praised Castro and Mao. (Openly, at least.)

Maybe I'm giving the Democrats too much credit (always a danger), but I can't believe they will tear off the mask they've been wearing for 50 years, i.e. pretending that they don't want socialism, all the while advancing it everywhere they have power.












1: Hey, it's tough to make predictions. Especially about the future.
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2020, 05:34:39 AM »



1: Hey, it's tough to make predictions. Especially about the future.

Not if the future is actually history. Wink

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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2020, 06:04:11 AM »

I think Bernie doesn't want to be the nominee

I think you should quit the prediction business.   smiley

Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it.  The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats.

Did you see how angry he got when he was booed?  He said Castro and other dictators should be praised because of their free-education programs for the citizens.  The crowd booed and Bernie became visibly agitated.
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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2020, 06:08:00 AM »

I think you should quit the prediction business.   smiley

Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it.  The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats.

Did you see how angry he got when he was booed?  He said Castro and other dictators should be praised because of their free-education programs for the citizens.  The crowd booed and Bernie became visibly agitated.

Agree. I think the guy was brainwashed to be a sleeper by the KGB when he used to visit the USSR. Smiley
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2020, 06:15:34 AM »

So my predictions about this election have been spectacularly wrong1, but that's not going to stop me from making more!
You're not alone in that.
I don't remember what brought me there, but I ended up taking a trip down memory lane in this thread the other day:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=50931.0 
It was a nice reminder that I shouldn't put too much stock in the opinions & predictions that get posted around here.  laugh
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2020, 06:17:36 AM »



Maybe I'm giving the Democrats too much credit

You absolutely are.

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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2020, 06:21:34 AM »

Do you think Bernie likes stumping for communism on the campaign trail, but doesn't actually want to be in charge of anything?  That might fit what I know of his history.  However, all these guys have egos and think they can lead better than the other guy.  

I hear a lot of stuff said that the Dem Party leadership does't want Bernie so who knows what they might do to try to undercut him.  

Super Tuesday is coming up.  We will see if Southern states vote for him also.  I heard someone talking about Bill Clinton's first Presidential run and I think he didn't win a state until fairly late.  
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« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2020, 06:26:29 AM »

Do you think Bernie likes stumping for communism on the campaign trail, but doesn't actually want to be in charge of anything?  That might fit what I know of his history.  However, all these guys have egos and think they can lead better than the other guy.  

I hear a lot of stuff said that the Dem Party leadership does't want Bernie so who knows what they might do to try to undercut him.  

Super Tuesday is coming up.  We will see if Southern states vote for him also.  I heard someone talking about Bill Clinton's first Presidential run and I think he didn't win a state until fairly late.  

Clinton was an absolute nobody (Governor of ARKANSAS? Quick, who is the current governor of Arkansas?) but people voted for him because the two expected front runners (I believe Jerry Brown and Paul Tsongas) savaged each other and the Democrats rolled the dice on him.
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« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2020, 06:43:35 AM »

You're not alone in that.
I don't remember what brought me there, but I ended up taking a trip down memory lane in this thread the other day:
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=50931.0
It was a nice reminder that I shouldn't put too much stock in the opinions & predictions that get posted around here.  laugh

Fascinating read, I was pretty wrong and pretty right about some things.

That was obviously before I read Scott Adams piece about Trump being a wizard.

Trump's rhetorical dismantling of the left eventually won me over.

I know he's a New York gangster but he's a gangster loyal to the USA.

That's more than you can say about most of the Dems running for prez.


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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2020, 07:05:42 AM »

Agree. I think the guy was brainwashed to be a sleeper by the KGB when he used to visit the USSR went to college

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2020, 07:15:12 AM »

"Bernie wants socialism and the presidency so bad that he can taste it.  The dude is foaming at the mouth to push socialism down our throats."

This. 100% this. Except Bernie doesn't want socialism. He wants Socialism... The kind of top down state-directed socialist planning and government control that Castro instituted in Cuba, or Maduro in Venezuela. Everyone knows that their plans were good, it was just a case of the wrong people being in charge. Isn't it funny how the right people are never in charge, but all of front-runners for "let's try it again!" always assume that they're the right person to make it work?

Hubris, and out and out lies. They know it's a lie, but they're hoping that once again the people can be duped. That's why there's been a never ending shower of free *expletive deleted*it.

And another thing... everyone on the left is screeching about how Trump is a demagogue... yeah, he is to some degree, I won't deny that.

But Bernie's absolutely NO different. Only instead of pitting races against each other, he's pitting the rich against the middle class/poor. In its own frightening way, that's hardcore Stalinism right there. With Stalin it was the Kulaks. With Bernie it's the billionaires.

Stalin exterminated the Kulaks. Bernie wants to exterminate the billionaires.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2020, 07:16:08 AM »

I think Bernie would willingly accept the one ring to rule them all.

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2020, 08:30:45 AM »

<rant>
Well, I've been vilified and castigated quite a number of times in the past several decades for pointing out that "socialism" is merely another word  for communism.

So now that it's out in the open, I guess you can say my "prediction" came true.

The trouble is HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) and its guru,  Senator Joseph McCarthy, went overboard in its activities (Hollywood blacklist, etc.) so that the unfairness of calling someone a traitor or a "commie" without hard evidence blurred the actual need for exposing disloyalty.

There were no "fellow travelers" any  more.  There were "socialists" and "progressives" and "liberals" and other ooey-gooey acceptable names for Communists and their lemming-like dupes.

Control the language and you control the issue.

</rant>

Boy, that felt good.  grin

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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2020, 08:57:38 AM »

"Boy, that felt good."

OK, Grandpa, time for your warm Ovaltine and nap... you've had an active morning and you're getting cranky. 
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2020, 09:23:29 AM »

And as long as we're making predictions...

Bernie will win the nomination much like Trump did - no majority and the establishment against him but his opposition too divided to coalesce around anyone else and with such rabid supporters, no way to rig it at the convention.

After that I think a lot depends on the pandemic & economic situation.
As the senator continues his march toward the nomination, stock-market investors will give him a higher and higher chance of winning the presidency. Stocks are largely a confidence game, and this is not good for that confidence. Investors in the many industries Sanders has targeted, including tech, health care, energy, banking, pharmaceuticals and more, will have real reason to be nervous. All it takes is people to start to hedge and hedge, then hedge some more; and following Sandersĺ sizable weekend win, some market analysts are seeing just that.

A 5.3 percent drop in the markets between now and the fall is broadly regarded as a recession Ś just in time for the election. Combine the ghost of Sanders with the growing likelihood of a global pandemic, and incoming economic pain seems near certain Ś and very possibly far worse than 5.3 percent. This, you can be certain, is terrible news for a divisive incumbent president up for reelection.
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« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2020, 10:57:32 AM »

I'm still firmly in the "Sanders isn't electable" camp.  And I'm hoping he's either the candidate, or he gets it taken from him in a brokered convention, and whoever they replace him with is so damaged and suffering from DNC enthusiasm gap that they can't win either.

Honestly, (sadly) for many voters, the talk about Socialism vs. Capitalism is just too damn highbrow. If you focus on that alone, I guarantee you're over thinking it. I'm convinced that the optics, mannerisms, and speech of a candidate mean far more to the "middle" and "undecideds" than policy and party. And it's been that way since Kennedy beat Nixon after the first televised debates. And in elections where candidate optics and style are close, like 2000 Bush v. Gore, folksy "aw shucks" Bush, vs. Newscaster-like Gore, the election is close. And where it's far apart, like Reagan vs. Carter '80, or Reagan vs. Mondale '84, the election results are further apart. School-marm'ish Bush Sr. managed to beat out Dukakis because he looked like a bobblehead in that (in)famous tank photo op. Then it flipped, Bill Clinton's Saxophone vs. George Bush won the day. Obama's skill as an orator (when on teleprompter) beat out McCain. I think Hillary's shrill cold and inauthentic imperious style was very different, but evenly matched with Trump's bombast, and you see it in the popular vote, and Trump "only" managed to win on an Electoral College path through the northern Rustbelt on cultural issues.

Other than Ford v. Carter who was arguably irreparably damaged by Nixon's fallout, it can be argued that for the past 50-60 years, the more photogenic candidate and the one who was more likable in their manner of speech has won. Trump is insufferably bombastic, but his delivery is light years beyond Bernie's quavery "you kids get outta my yard" old man mannerisms. 

It matters less in the primaries because the lack of undecideds, squishy middle, and low information voters mean that's a much purer ideological contest than the general election is, despite the general election being more polarized. And that's why you've got this plurality of "I'm a Democrat but I can't vote for a Socialist"-voters opposed to Bernie, they just can't decide to get behind one other candidate. It's still important to note that when it comes to an enthusiasm gap for Democrats while Bernie is either winning contests or polling 1st or 2nd place, he's never come close to a majority. (And Trump in some states like NH has doubled or tripled incumbent president primary turnout over what Clinton, Bush, and Obama got, and beat everyone since Reagan...)

Assuming that the delegate process is still ultimately under their thumb, and Bernie doesn't come into Milwaukee with an insurmountable majority of delegates... I think it might be coming down to the DNC deciding how it is they want to lose. They're trying to decide if the down-ballot damage in House and Senate races with a Bernie candidacy is worth the trouncing they'll get.  And the hope is, that can be used as a club to beat the DNC's Left wing into submission for a generation. (See how badly you hurt us? Now shut up, and go away vote for the establishment Democrats like you are told to!) And they probably want to save someone like Buttigieg on the bench for 2024, when the 8 year presidency party flip momentum is stronger. OTOH, they may want to run someone less damaging, but still likely to lose, hoping to retain control of the House.


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« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2020, 11:07:39 AM »

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« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2020, 02:29:37 PM »

<rant>
Well, I've been vilified and castigated quite a number of times in the past several decades for pointing out that "socialism" is merely another word  for communism.

So now that it's out in the open, I guess you can say my "prediction" came true.

The trouble is HUAC (House Unamerican Activities Committee) and its guru,  Senator Joseph McCarthy, went overboard in its activities (Hollywood blacklist, etc.) so that the unfairness of calling someone a traitor or a "commie" without hard evidence blurred the actual need for exposing disloyalty.

There were no "fellow travelers" any  more.  There were "socialists" and "progressives" and "liberals" and other ooey-gooey acceptable names for Communists and their lemming-like dupes.

Control the language and you control the issue.

</rant>

Boy, that felt good.  grin

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OK, Grandpa, time for your warm Ovaltine and nap... you've had an active morning and you're getting cranky. 



Been cranky since Carter.  Breathed a sigh of relief when he was a one-termer.

Wondered where the end of the tunnel was when Clinton won his second term.

Been trying to push the pendulum the other way ever since.  Makes you a mite cranky, though.

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« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2020, 06:37:40 PM »



Been cranky since Carter.  Breathed a sigh of relief when he was a one-termer.

Wondered where the end of the tunnel was when Clinton won his second term.

Been trying to push the pendulum the other way ever since.  Makes you a mite cranky, though.

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« Reply #19 on: February 26, 2020, 06:59:42 PM »

So I should vote for Bernie in the SC primary?
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« Reply #20 on: February 26, 2020, 07:25:03 PM »

Real mature and it's only going to get worse

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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2020, 07:54:29 PM »

So I should vote for Bernie in the SC primary?

Yup.

I'm doing the same in Ohio.  Love the look on the local polling volunteers faces when I say "Democrat" when asked what ballot  Evil.  Everybody knows everybody here,  and they all know I'm the farthest thing from.
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2020, 07:58:25 PM »

Yup.

I'm doing the same in Ohio.  Love the look on the local polling volunteers faces when I say "Democrat" when asked what ballot  Evil.  Everybody knows everybody here,  and they all know I'm the farthest thing from.

I feel the Bern!!!! He's got my vote in the WA primary. Smiley

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« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2020, 04:36:38 AM »

Looks like some of the party influencers are getting rather nervous about the though of Bernie Sanders as the candidate and are moving to stop him from being the party nominee...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/26/megadonor-urges-pelosi-schumer-to-pick-candidate-to-stop-bernie-sanders.html


I'm thinking I may vote for Bernie in the Virginia primary...

IF I can enter a Democratic primary without either projectile vomiting or bursting into flames.
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« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2020, 05:34:29 AM »

Hey, so you know what a great way would be to get me onboard with Bernie? Come to my house in the middle of the night with a bullhorn and threaten me to vote Bernie, "or else".

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/02/26/berners-show-up-at-night-with-bullhorns-at-homes-of-democratic-party-officials/
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