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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #825 on: July 02, 2020, 09:33:53 AM »
Can you really call Nazi Germany a caste system when it lasted less than a generation?  It was bad stuff, but I think "caste system" is the wrong description.

Nazi Germany will be twisted into whatever it has to be by liberals to use as ammunition for their cause.
Example: Nazi Germany despite being socialist is used as an example of the evils of capitalism
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #826 on: July 02, 2020, 10:16:46 AM »
Can you really call Nazi Germany a caste system when it lasted less than a generation?  It was bad stuff, but I think "caste system" is the wrong description.

Well it's the NYT. It was probably more important to their story to say that the US is worse than a nazi regime.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #827 on: July 02, 2020, 10:18:54 AM »
Well it's the NYT. It was probably more important to their story to say that the US is worse than a nazi regime.

Bunch of chutzpah from a paper that actively denied the Holocaust.   :mad:
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #828 on: July 02, 2020, 10:21:21 AM »
Bunch of chutzpah from a paper that actively denied the Holocaust.   :mad:

If doing so is useful for them at the time. Any other time and they'll beat you over the head with it.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #829 on: July 02, 2020, 11:32:29 AM »
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #830 on: July 02, 2020, 12:15:42 PM »
More fun over in Michigan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZhdMcrBuDU
In other times, I might think pulling a gun is overkill, but not right now.  There professional victims are ramping up the violence too much.  Those two black women are just looking for an excuse to ramp up their victim status.  I hate to think what would have happened if they had more numbers there.  They probably would have been more aggressive.  

As if just bumping into someone is justification to start confrontation/fight (even though they are probably lying).  
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #831 on: July 02, 2020, 01:14:10 PM »
In other times, I might think pulling a gun is overkill, but not right now.  There professional victims are ramping up the violence too much.  Those two black women are just looking for an excuse to ramp up their victim status.  I hate to think what would have happened if they had more numbers there.  They probably would have been more aggressive.  

As if just bumping into someone is justification to start confrontation/fight (even though they are probably lying).  


They are crossing a very dangerous line. People will only take so much. I agree on more numbers being more aggressive, and the woman might have fired at that point instead of hoping showing the gun deescalated the situation, and she would have been right to fire. These people are going to get a race war in which they are outnumbered nine to one.

EDIT: I was reading the youtube replies and one of them said the woman was arrested and her firearm confiscated. If true, outrageous. Also apparently the youtube video is edited and there is a longer one that makes the black women look even worse?
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #832 on: July 02, 2020, 01:21:41 PM »
IMHO Would be more of a culture/ideology war since both sides have both blacks and whites on their side and at it's core it really wouldn't be about race anyway but more what direction we want the country to go in. Think Russia 1917-1923. A lot of blacks are sick and tired of this BS, not nearly enough though, yet.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #833 on: July 02, 2020, 01:27:01 PM »
Who knows, maybe Mexico will be paying for and even building that wall after all
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #834 on: July 02, 2020, 01:29:23 PM »
IMHO Would be more of a culture/ideology war since both sides have both blacks and whites on their side and at it's core it really wouldn't be about race anyway but more what direction we want the country to go in. Think Russia 1917-1923. A lot of blacks are sick and tired of this BS, not nearly enough though, yet.

True enough. I posted a video the other day of a black guy taking down BLM posters and getting attacked by a frothing at the mouth white dude.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #835 on: July 02, 2020, 01:34:07 PM »
We got a house on fire and they're arguing over what color to paint it and every time we say the fire needs to be put out they say we don't care about the house.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #836 on: July 02, 2020, 02:57:47 PM »
They are crossing a very dangerous line. People will only take so much. I agree on more numbers being more aggressive, and the woman might have fired at that point instead of hoping showing the gun deescalated the situation, and she would have been right to fire. These people are going to get a race war in which they are outnumbered nine to one.

EDIT: I was reading the youtube replies and one of them said the woman was arrested and her firearm confiscated. If true, outrageous. Also apparently the youtube video is edited and there is a longer one that makes the black women look even worse?
I heard she was released quickly, but I assume they kept the gun. 

There was a link to the twitter thread.  The original twitter thread was only showing a short clip of the white woman with her gun out with no explanation of why.  That youtube video at least showed they were not the aggressors. 
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #837 on: July 02, 2020, 05:27:17 PM »
Des Moines, Iowa:  BLM protesters assault police officers.

https://www.facebook.com/DMPolice/videos/2907518862704411/

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #838 on: July 02, 2020, 07:37:21 PM »
I heard she was released quickly, but I assume they kept the gun. 

There was a link to the twitter thread.  The original twitter thread was only showing a short clip of the white woman with her gun out with no explanation of why.  That youtube video at least showed they were not the aggressors. 

They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #839 on: July 02, 2020, 07:49:02 PM »
They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html

Not sure why the man is charged, but the woman with the gun messed up.  No need to exit the vehicle, getting yelled at isn't fatal.  Pulling the gun without a threat is a big screw up.

On the other hand, I think people have their phones at the ready and are looking for a confrontation.  I think the mom and the daughter were looking for a fight.

Just apologize and walk away.  Nothing worth arguing about.  Blocked in with someone behind you?  Lock the doors, call 911, wait for police to arrive or an exit to open.  If they escalate, then things change.

Then again, I am just sitting, self isolating here on my couch.  Also why I made sure I have fresh pepper spray at the ready along with my CCW.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #840 on: July 02, 2020, 07:52:47 PM »
Particularly clear here:


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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #841 on: July 02, 2020, 08:14:53 PM »
They charged both the woman and her husband with felony assault.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/02/us/michigan-woman-pulls-gun.html

And the husband was fired from his job. Guilty until proven Innocent.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #842 on: July 02, 2020, 10:36:18 PM »
SJW culture eating it's own is sweet, sweet irony.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #843 on: July 02, 2020, 11:33:22 PM »
Not sure why the man is charged, but the woman with the gun messed up.  No need to exit the vehicle, getting yelled at isn't fatal.  Pulling the gun without a threat is a big screw up.

On the other hand, I think people have their phones at the ready and are looking for a confrontation.  I think the mom and the daughter were looking for a fight.

Just apologize and walk away.  Nothing worth arguing about.  Blocked in with someone behind you?  Lock the doors, call 911, wait for police to arrive or an exit to open.  If they escalate, then things change.

Then again, I am just sitting, self isolating here on my couch.  Also why I made sure I have fresh pepper spray at the ready along with my CCW.

Bolded part <<<<<<THIS. 

The whole thing is a mess gone sideways.  The black lady & daughter didn't have to make a production and the mother shouldn't have gone behind the car, or hit it.  The white lady should have stayed inside.    Ought not have exited with gun.  And what kind of person stands there asking "are you going to shoot me?"  in such an unflustered voice?

Stay in the car.   Don't fuel the fight.   

A week or so I accidentally bumped into a lady at Publix while shopping.  I immediately apologized,  almost instinctively, really.  No harm no foul.    No excitement.   
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #844 on: July 03, 2020, 08:30:45 AM »
Well, they got the Utah shooter, and it's attempted aggravated murder, so IMO, they're getting that right.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-people-trapped-cars-911-fredericksburg-detroit-officers-minneapolis-trucker-provo-utah-charlottesville

The main story is on "what to do if you're blocked by protestors". Some of the 911 advice was laughable, except that warning people to leave without hitting protestors is a setup for the driver to get arrested when they attempt to save themselves.
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #845 on: July 03, 2020, 08:36:26 AM »
On the white lady with the gun, it sounds like even here at APS we're having quite divergent opinions. I might change my mind if more info becomes available, but I'm still on the side of the couple. Though even conservative Fox News doesn't seem to be, from the way they worded their article and left some stuff out to make the white woman into the initial aggressor.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-couple-arrested-for-assault-after-pulling-gun-on-black-family-during-confrontation

This doesn't even seem to be a black vs white issue on opinions. Looking at reader comments in the various articles I have read, there are a good number of black commenters who seem to be on the side of the couple, or at least laying blame for initiating the incident on the black family.

 
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #846 on: July 03, 2020, 10:19:49 AM »
On the white lady with the gun, it sounds like even here at APS we're having quite divergent opinions. I might change my mind if more info becomes available, but I'm still on the side of the couple. Though even conservative Fox News doesn't seem to be, from the way they worded their article and left some stuff out to make the white woman into the initial aggressor.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/white-couple-arrested-for-assault-after-pulling-gun-on-black-family-during-confrontation

This doesn't even seem to be a black vs white issue on opinions. Looking at reader comments in the various articles I have read, there are a good number of black commenters who seem to be on the side of the couple, or at least laying blame for initiating the incident on the black family.

 
That last is primarily what I was focusing on.  The black lady with her daughter taking video was trolling for a confrontation to post online.  Probably looking to get internet famous.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn the daughter arranged to bump into the woman just so they could start a fight.  IMO, the bad actors in this were the black woman and her daughter. 

On the other side, the woman messed up by pulling a gun out when it was mostly just words at that point.  The black woman beating on the car is probably inadequate justification legally.  That said, if I was on a jury, I doubt I would vote to convict without evidence showing something different. 

For us, it is a good lesson for family members and others on what to do and not do.  My parents used to always tell us there were people out there trolling for lawsuits to take everything you have.  That was true.  Now it is also people trolling for confrontations to put on video. 
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #847 on: July 03, 2020, 10:22:54 AM »
Particularly clear here:


That picture is a good summary of the lesson to be learned here.  Some idiots are not worth arguing with especially when the argument/confrontation is their goal in the first place.

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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #848 on: July 03, 2020, 10:36:45 AM »
If the MSM stopped mentioning the race of those involved you got to wonder how that would change people's perspective on a great many things
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Re: Minneapolis police in the news again
« Reply #849 on: July 03, 2020, 11:03:53 AM »
That last is primarily what I was focusing on.  The black lady with her daughter taking video was trolling for a confrontation to post online.  Probably looking to get internet famous.  I wouldn't be surprised to learn the daughter arranged to bump into the woman just so they could start a fight.  IMO, the bad actors in this were the black woman and her daughter. 

On the other side, the woman messed up by pulling a gun out when it was mostly just words at that point.  The black woman beating on the car is probably inadequate justification legally.  That said, if I was on a jury, I doubt I would vote to convict without evidence showing something different. 

For us, it is a good lesson for family members and others on what to do and not do.  My parents used to always tell us there were people out there trolling for lawsuits to take everything you have.  That was true.  Now it is also people trolling for confrontations to put on video. 

White lady's gun handling, and handling herself in general was superb.  She did probably draw too early, and left the relative safety of her vehicle to do so.  Should have waited for the thugs to break a window or try to pull the doors open (although by then it's time to actually shoot them)

I have no idea why the husband was arrested.  Probably just because it's near Detroit.

I think they should have put the car in reverse and just slowly driven away (ready to punch the gas if necessary.)  If Mama is really dedicated to the scam she's running, she'll get run over, but she has plenty of time to get out of the way so that's on her.   You might still get arrested, just because this happens near Detroit and they want to appease the mob.
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