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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #75 on: June 25, 2020, 08:49:13 PM »
https://www.dailyrecordnews.com/ap_news/washington/boeing-investigating-racist-incident-at-everett-plant/article_d15dd9c8-c024-540f-b0d2-e3e75b0e9456.html

And in other noose news, a Black manager at Boeing in Everett found a noose on his desk.  The linked article does not specify what it was, but other local media say it was a noose.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #76 on: June 25, 2020, 08:50:53 PM »



My guess is a surgeons knot. Quick, easy, and makes a loop that won't pull tight. Good for a handle on a rope used to pull down a garage door.
These photos were posted on the previous page.  Do these look the same?  The first picture does not, but the one does.  Not sure if that is the same location though.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #77 on: June 25, 2020, 08:59:43 PM »
A picture with no identifying info on when or where other than from NASCAR..... not saying they would fabricate this but I wouldn't put it past them. There for 15 minutes or so NASCAR *almost* became relevant in the national scheme of things. Had they released the picture immediately it would have been much more believable to me.

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #78 on: June 25, 2020, 09:14:39 PM »


These photos were posted on the previous page.  Do these look the same?  The first picture does not, but the one does.  Not sure if that is the same location though.

A little deep into the whiskey to totally trust my judgement (this is my Saturday), but look at the orientation of the fluorescent lights in the two pictures (Nov va Jun). Left/right, front back.  Or am I too buzzed?
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #79 on: June 25, 2020, 10:03:23 PM »
A little deep into the whiskey to totally trust my judgement (this is my Saturday), but look at the orientation of the fluorescent lights in the two pictures (Nov va Jun). Left/right, front back.  Or am I too buzzed?

Or one set of lights is turned off in the second photo, but the light closer to the door (second photo) is not visible when the camera is placed further back (as in the first photo).
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« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2020, 11:01:49 PM »
Or one set of lights is turned off in the second photo, but the light closer to the door (second photo) is not visible when the camera is placed further back (as in the first photo).

Sounds possible. I'll read it again tomorrow and see what the sober me thinks.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #81 on: June 26, 2020, 12:07:34 PM »
"Is it possible it's been tied in such a way to avoid sliding?"

That would be a bowline.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #82 on: June 26, 2020, 12:42:23 PM »


On the other hand, the white supremacists gave him four brand new tires and a full tank of gas, so it's all good.

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« Reply #83 on: June 26, 2020, 01:41:18 PM »
I wonder which of all the competitors in NASCAR is the best race card driver?
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« Reply #84 on: June 26, 2020, 08:36:00 PM »
I wonder which of all the competitors in NASCAR is the best race card driver?

Took me a second!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #86 on: June 26, 2020, 10:21:05 PM »
I am pretty sure in this day and age Wallace faces not much trouble. Besides, he is like a computer generated nascrap name, you got a Bubba, a Wallace, and a Jr.  I imagine Danica Patrick faced a lot more sexism but a lot of that came from being a whiny bitch that can't drive.

Wasn't always the case, the 80's had Willy T. Ribbs. He might have been okay being black, but he was always somewhat abrasive. At some point his pit crew pulled one of his front shocks off on a pit stop and sent him back out without it just to see if a little exercise would improve his demeanor. At Charlotte.
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« Reply #87 on: June 26, 2020, 11:15:34 PM »
Look at the wins by Antron Brown or Shirley in NHRA and NASCAR can kiss my ass.
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« Reply #88 on: June 27, 2020, 08:16:42 AM »
I like the fuel classes of drag racing and bikes. Everything else is boring as hell. For whatever reason drag racing has always had a more diverse crowd, probably from strong southern California roots.
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« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2020, 11:38:47 PM »
" Phelps said he is bothered that it hadn't registered with anyone sooner, but reconfirmed that Wallace's team had nothing to do with it, which has been alleged by some on social media."

Looked like a frivolous way to use up the extra rope length to avoid getting it tangled in stuff.  I've used nooses even with long light bulb strings.  Why? Just 'cause it's amusing and somewhat practical, not because of anything racist.

Of course nobody would have noticed it and clutched their pearls and headed toward the fainting couch over it before this particular riot cycle.

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« Reply #90 on: June 29, 2020, 02:41:18 AM »
I guess the same people who think slavery always equals racism are the same people who think nooses always mean racist lynching.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #91 on: June 29, 2020, 06:01:02 AM »
I guess the same people who think slavery always equals racism are the same people who think nooses always mean racist lynching.

Can you explain this a bit more?

It seems that in the US only black people were slaves.  Is that not true?
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« Reply #92 on: June 29, 2020, 07:19:55 AM »
Can you explain this a bit more?

It seems that in the US only black people were slaves.  Is that not true?

There are non black slaves in the US right now. It's still a problem.

True, they are illegal,  but still in bondage.

Additionally, there were people of many races held in bondage during the time slavery was legal in the US, including white people. The majority of slaves in the US were African, and being of African decent tended to default one into slavery, at least in the south, but there were other enslaved folks here. It's an ugly period.

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« Reply #94 on: June 29, 2020, 08:49:12 AM »
And don't forget many native tribes held slave. Many of them white.
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« Reply #95 on: June 29, 2020, 08:54:54 AM »
Many, probably most abolitionists, even the ones who were abolitionists because they thought slavery was wrong, and who cared about the plight of the enslaved, were still flaming racists by modern standards. They would have agreed that slavery was wrong, and agreed that black people are above slavery, but a vanishing minority would have agreed that black people were equal to white people, or that they should be able to run for office, or that they should be able to marry white people, etc. The people that actually freed slaves in America would probably be cancelled or have their statues pulled down for racist things they said, if anyone cared to examine them. The abolitionists, as a whole, would definitely fail intersectionality. And this is another problem with retroactively judging people from the past by modern standards instead of respecting them as part of history.
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« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2020, 09:10:29 AM »
And don't forget many native tribes held slave. Many of them white.

More than just slaves. I've been reading accounts of the early 1800s over the last couple of years and had my eyes opened to the cruelty of Native Americans, who, including and maybe especially their women and children, took great pleasure in a variety of torture against white captives and captives from other tribes. Seems like reparations are in order, maybe via the casinos.

In fairness, white settlers also committed atrocities against the Indians, but that's kinda the point: these things are rarely a one way street. It wasn't white people capturing the majority of slaves that ended up on ships out of Africa.
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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2020, 09:22:47 AM »
Also, a variety of articles on African slaves and where they went:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=who+captured+slaves+in+africa


A couple of snippets:

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Slaves brought to the United States represented about 3.6 percent of the total number of Africans transported to the New World, or around 388,000 people—considerably less than the number transported to colonies in the Caribbean (including more than 1.2 million to Jamaica alone) or to Brazil (4.8 million).

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According to Robert Davis between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves to North Africa
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« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2020, 10:46:27 AM »
In recent years, I have had some training on how to spot people being exploited for such things as sex trafficking, slavery, and involuntary servitude.  The slavery/involuntary servitude is still very much a thing in the USA amongst certain communities and ethnic groupings, usually from Asian and Middle Eastern countries.
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« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2020, 04:26:12 PM »
We've had a number of those cases here in the Washington, DC, area over the years, including one, IIRC, that involved a couple keeping at least 2 children (early teens) as house servants. IIRC, they *BOUGHT* the kids on a trip back to the homeland and brought them into the US on forged paperwork.
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