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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #100 on: June 29, 2020, 05:29:35 PM »
In recent years, I have had some training on how to spot people being exploited for such things as sex trafficking, slavery, and involuntary servitude.  The slavery/involuntary servitude is still very much a thing in the USA amongst certain communities and ethnic groupings, usually from Asian and Middle Eastern countries.

My recent (last 5 or 6 years) recurring training in Human Trafficking and how to spot it has seriously degraded what little faith in humanity I had left.  Not just that it still happens, but how easy it is to spot indicators in certain cities, both in the mid east and in the US.

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #101 on: June 29, 2020, 05:33:13 PM »
We've had a number of those cases here in the Washington, DC, area over the years, including one, IIRC, that involved a couple keeping at least 2 children (early teens) as house servants. IIRC, they *BOUGHT* the kids on a trip back to the homeland and brought them into the US on forged paperwork.

There have been several such cases in the news over the past couple of years. IIRC, it's a "thing" in some of the tony Long Island communities.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #102 on: June 29, 2020, 07:41:04 PM »
My recent (last 5 or 6 years) recurring training in Human Trafficking and how to spot it has seriously degraded what little faith in humanity I had left.  Not just that it still happens, but how easy it is to spot indicators in certain cities, both in the mid east and in the US.

Can I ask- what are the indicators?   ???

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #103 on: June 29, 2020, 08:11:18 PM »
Pb asked,

"Can I ask- what are the indicators?"

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #104 on: June 29, 2020, 09:37:51 PM »
No training but doing inhome service for the last twenty years has been an eye opener.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #105 on: June 30, 2020, 08:28:39 AM »
Many, probably most abolitionists, even the ones who were abolitionists because they thought slavery was wrong, and who cared about the plight of the enslaved, were still flaming racists by modern standards. They would have agreed that slavery was wrong, and agreed that black people are above slavery, but a vanishing minority would have agreed that black people were equal to white people, or that they should be able to run for office, or that they should be able to marry white people, etc. The people that actually freed slaves in America would probably be cancelled or have their statues pulled down for racist things they said, if anyone cared to examine them. The abolitionists, as a whole, would definitely fail intersectionality.

This. We're shocked by the suggestion that Abe Lincoln was a racist, but it was not at all unusual for people at the time to be both racist, and anti-slavery. Turns out you can have a low opinion of a race of people, but still not want those people to be mistreated.

More than just slaves. I've been reading accounts of the early 1800s over the last couple of years and had my eyes opened to the cruelty of Native Americans, who, including and maybe especially their women and children, took great pleasure in a variety of torture against white captives and captives from other tribes. Seems like reparations are in order, maybe via the casinos.

In fairness, white settlers also committed atrocities against the Indians, but that's kinda the point: these things are rarely a one way street. It wasn't white people capturing the majority of slaves that ended up on ships out of Africa.

That, too.

To your other post, Ben, very few slaves taken from Africa went directly to the 13 colonies/the U.S. Most slaves brought into this country came from the West Indies.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #106 on: June 30, 2020, 09:26:09 AM »
Can I ask- what are the indicators?   ???

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When dealing with folks that are obviously not from around where you are, (although, it probably holds true for folks more local as well) and in situations where you would expect different (Bartenders, waitresses, domestic workers, contracted workers in your company, stuff like that):

Showing signs of physical injuries, abuse or malnutrition (especially bruises in various stages of healing, indicating consistent injury over time)
Sticking to scripted or rehearsed responses
No ID or documents (sometimes hard to check for unless you are in an official capacity of some kind)
Living at the job
Living in small apartments with a lot of co-workers
Working stupid long hours
Tattoos and/or branding (especially if all the workers/waitresses have a matching one)
Small children working at business alongside adults (especially if those adults aren't their parents/close family)
Physical security measures that would keep people in as well as out (locks on both sides of doors, or "breakrooms"/employee areas with locks on the outside
Consistent deferring to "manager" or boss anytime you go off script
Literally almost any commercial sex act not in a licensed NV brothel
Having to turn cash or "tips" over to someone or lock in a safe immediately on receipt.

There are more, but that's what I have off the top of my head (with a glance at my notes)

DHS has an indicator card you can download and keep in your wallet that offers several indicators, but they are more geared towards folks that are interacting with and talking to suspected victims. 

https://www.dhs.gov/blue-campaign/materials/indicator-card

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #107 on: June 30, 2020, 10:37:09 AM »
^^^The DHS card is one of the materials that we hand out to providers, so they have it with them in the exam room.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #108 on: June 30, 2020, 12:49:42 PM »
Thank you, dogmush.   =(

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #109 on: June 30, 2020, 01:11:05 PM »
In "Confederate" flag news

Mississippi flag being taken down from many stores even before governor signing
https://www.wlky.com/article/mississippi-flag-being-taken-down-from-many-stores-even-before-governor-signing/33005214
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #110 on: June 30, 2020, 02:14:10 PM »
So ... collectible?
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #111 on: July 01, 2020, 01:58:45 PM »
Apparently Confederate flag memes on your facebook page can get you suspended

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Jenna Showalter was suspended without pay Wednesday for a violation of a Louisville Metro Corrections policy concerning social media, according to her suspension letter.
Showalter is accused of posting several memes with the Confederate flag on her Facebook page.

Metro Corrections officer suspended over Facebook posts
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/01/metro-corrections-officer-suspended-over-facebook-posts/
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #112 on: July 01, 2020, 02:10:57 PM »
Apparently Confederate flag memes on your facebook page can get you suspended

Metro Corrections officer suspended over Facebook posts
https://www.wave3.com/2020/07/01/metro-corrections-officer-suspended-over-facebook-posts/

Without seeing the memes it's hard to form an opinion on this. 

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #113 on: July 01, 2020, 10:21:51 PM »
Another local news site picked up the story and had an example.
Guess they didn't like the message.

https://www.whas11.com/article/news/local/louisville-metro-corrections-officer-facebook-posts/417-176738cf-1529-4ae1-b711-cc620a630ed7

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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #115 on: July 05, 2020, 01:29:01 AM »
I just got to watch, in person, the last two nights of Kyle Larson crushing the toughest sprint car competition in the country. What’s nascar?
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #116 on: July 05, 2020, 09:16:36 AM »
Chili bowl time? I haven't kept up in years.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #117 on: July 05, 2020, 09:32:25 PM »
More info about Karen Cooper:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-confederate-flag-supporter-slavery-choice-article-1.2278982



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Besides, "slavery was a choice," she added, because slaves had a choice to die.

"And I say that because of what Patrick Henry said: 'Give me liberty, or give me death.' If we went back to that kind of slavery — no I couldn't do it. Give me death," she explained.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #118 on: July 06, 2020, 01:14:15 AM »
Chili bowl time? I haven't kept up in years.

No, that was Larson in an epic war with Chris Bell(the better driver) back in the winter. Pennsylvania speedweeks now, revisiting the places of my youth and hearing the big motors run.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #120 on: July 06, 2020, 01:47:39 AM »
Back in the '90's when I was buiding engines for many classes of left turn and straight line we used to get a week off in the summer so the boss 007 could go to a big race with Beaver and some other Midwest racers. I can't remember anymore maybe it was in Oklahoma. Man I miss those days.

I built engines or component work on every thing drag racing except prostock. I even built a few world of outlaw motors.
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Re: NASCAR has just banned the Confederate flag from all events
« Reply #121 on: July 06, 2020, 01:58:32 AM »
Or maybe Knoxville man my memory sucks these days.
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