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do you trust Bolton
« on: June 17, 2020, 09:49:53 PM »
https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564

                   idk ..... i always liked him, but being anti Trump means invitations to parties and could be profitable
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2020, 10:27:42 PM »
Not today.

I liked him once -- I don't trust him now.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2020, 10:29:31 PM »
I liked him wreaking havoc at the UN,  Since then I'm disappointed.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2020, 10:34:35 PM »
Quote from: Andiron on June 17, 2020, 10:29:31 PM
I liked him wreaking havoc at the UN,  Since then I'm disappointed.

Kinda where I am. Maybe there's more to the story, but as of now, I don't hold as high an opinion of him as I have in the past.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2020, 10:47:50 PM »
Are his lips moving?
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2020, 10:51:46 PM »
Probably butthurt that Trump didn't turn out to be the meal ticket for eternal Middle Eastern war he thought he'd be.
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2020, 11:05:44 PM »
I don't think he ever saw a war he didn't like.  Typical GOP hawk willing to spend other peoples' kids lives.  His disdain for the UN was pleasant but he was still a swamp-thing, IMO.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2020, 02:28:26 AM »
Bolton always struck me like a very squirrely and nutty version Ned Flanders whose main fetish is getting others into armed conflict and bloodshed... or maybe he just makes a lot of money off of it  ???
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2020, 07:06:59 AM »
I don't trust any of the folks in the swamp.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2020, 07:48:38 AM »
I trust no one within the beltway and very few outside of it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2020, 08:10:25 AM »
Quote from: AJ Dual on June 17, 2020, 10:51:46 PM
Probably butthurt that Trump didn't turn out to be the meal ticket for eternal Middle Eastern war he thought he'd be.

The Forever War's not over yet.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2020, 09:37:29 AM »
Quote from: Andiron on June 17, 2020, 10:29:31 PM
I liked him wreaking havoc at the UN,  Since then I'm disappointed.

This. Seemed a level-headed and no nonsense then. Now? Whiny, butthurt, and petty.

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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2020, 09:44:34 AM »
Quote from: Brad Johnson on June 18, 2020, 09:37:29 AM
Now? Whiny, butthurt, and petty.

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I got that impression of him back then. He's just getting far more media coverage now now that he's a Trump hating media daring so it's more obvious than before. Before you just mainly saw him talking at the UN.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2020, 10:04:41 AM »
I'm pulling this from Politico, since I can't access the article you linked to:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/john-bolton-book-trump-china-326563

"Xi, according to Bolton, complained to the president of unnamed American politicians who Xi said were wrong to call for a new cold war with China, a slight Trump took to be directed toward Democrats who he agreed were too hostile toward Beijing.


“Trump then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton wrote. The president “stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.”

So Trump wants to help American farmers sell food to China, which will help him get re-elected?

THE MONSTER!!!

We need to impeach him again!

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Seriously, this is what Trump did "wrong"?!?  Is it bad to sell food to China?  Is it bad for Trump to try and boost the economy so he can get re-elected?  Is there something I else in the original article that I couldn't read?
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2020, 10:07:11 AM »
Quote from: Pb on June 18, 2020, 10:04:41 AM
I'm pulling this from Politico, since I can't access the article you linked to:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/17/john-bolton-book-trump-china-326563

"Xi, according to Bolton, complained to the president of unnamed American politicians who Xi said were wrong to call for a new cold war with China, a slight Trump took to be directed toward Democrats who he agreed were too hostile toward Beijing.


“Trump then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton wrote. The president “stressed the importance of farmers and increased Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome.”

So Trump wants to help American farmers sell food to China, which will help him get re-elected?

THE MONSTER!!!

We need to impeach him again!

 ;/

Seriously, this is what Trump did "wrong"?!?  Is it bad to sell food to China?  Is it bad for Trump to try and boost the economy so he can get re-elected?  Is there something I else in the original article that I couldn't read?

If he had said it will keep illegals employed the media and dems would be celebrating it. Or not, got to remember Trump!
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2020, 10:08:18 AM »
Quote from: dogmush on June 18, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
The Forever War's not over yet.  Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

True... but I just calculated that Trump is the only President since Carter that hasn't started some sort of war.
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2020, 10:11:48 AM »
Quote from: Pb on June 18, 2020, 10:08:18 AM
True... but I just calculated that Trump is the only President since Carter that hasn't started some sort of war.

Listening to the MSM I could swear he's started a
War on blacks
War on women
War on science
War on the Earth
War on brown Children
War on gays or whatever alphabet soup combination they want to use nowadays

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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2020, 10:13:47 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on June 18, 2020, 10:07:11 AM
If he had said it will keep illegals employed the media and dems would be celebrating it. Or not, got to remember Trump!

No they wouldn't.  Everything Prez Trump says (or does) is bad in retrospect because he said it.  For example, "The sky is blue" would be racist.  If anyone else -- especially a Democrat -- says the same thing, they're fine.  And if he says or does nothing, that is even worse.  So his best strategy is to be an unpredictable ahole.
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2020, 10:16:13 AM »
Quote from: zxcvbob on June 18, 2020, 10:13:47 AM
No they wouldn't.  Everything Prez Trump says (or does) is bad in retrospect because he said it.  For example, "The sky is blue" would be racist.  If anyone else -- especially a Democrat -- says the same thing, they're fine.  And if he says or does nothing, that is even worse.  So his best strategy is to be an unpredictable ahole.

Why I added the last part.
Or Nancy P will come out and take credit for it, then it will be the greatest agreement in the history of agreements
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2020, 10:38:13 AM »
When it comes down to it, I recognize my knowledge of Bolton is almost entirely from media sound bytes.  From that perspective, he always seems pro-USA and anti-UN.  I like that.  

I don't know how much I dislike him so much as I don't know that I trust him especially if he wants to get us mired in more warfare.  He is also one additional person in a list of people who have gone full Anti-Trump after leaving his administration.  In general, most of those people have said things I don't like after going Anti-Trump (not just the anti-Trump stuff). 
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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2020, 11:31:18 AM »
I strongly suspect that firings and resignations in the Trump administration are not handled in the usual Washington D.C. way that soothes egos, and automatically shunts people into cushy lobbyist and think-tank positions.
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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2020, 04:43:10 PM »
Quote from: AJ Dual on June 18, 2020, 11:31:18 AM
I strongly suspect that firings and resignations in the Trump administration are not handled in the usual Washington D.C. way that soothes egos, and automatically shunts people into cushy lobbyist and think-tank positions.
He probably automatically revokes clearances also.   =)
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2020, 06:58:16 PM »
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on June 17, 2020, 11:05:44 PM
I don't think he ever saw a war he didn't like.  Typical GOP hawk willing to spend other peoples' kids lives.  His disdain for the UN was pleasant but he was still a swamp-thing, IMO.

Spot on.
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« Reply #23 on: June 18, 2020, 11:49:58 PM »
No.

I never understood why Trump hired him.


He trashed George W.  Bush too.   That would have been a .... clue.
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Re: do you trust Bolton
« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2020, 12:58:37 AM »
I just want to know if his book includes the Gorilla Channel material Michael Wolff was too chicken to write about.
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