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« on: August 16, 2020, 12:16:55 PM »
A couple of things I learned from this article that were surprising:

1) I would have never guessed the Firefox use numbers were this low. I would have guessed they were closer to 30% than 3%.

2) I was unaware of Google's involvement. Even if it's supposedly just search engine fees,  I can't help but think there must be some coding requirements that I probably wouldn't like.

I've been using Firefox forever. I doubt I'll ever use Chrome or Edge, but I need to start looking at Waterfox or one of the other open source browsers. I was running Waterfox or similar some years ago, but then defaulted back to Firefox.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/an-endangered-internet-species-firefox/
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2020, 12:27:29 PM »
I'm using Palemoon, a fork off of old Firefox.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2020, 12:52:59 PM »
Android = Google
Chrome  = Google

*All Android phones and tablets default to Chrome and since most people don't mess with their phone pretty much 100% of Android phones are in the chrome camp. Even if they do download FF and change the defaults Chrome is still often used in the background for many Android tasks.

*Ditto Chrome books.

*The new MS Edge is Chrome now, your W10 computer will update to it automatically if it hasn't already. What applies to the Android phones above applies to W10 as well.

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Re: Firefox
« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2020, 03:04:12 PM »
I use brave on my laptop, and opera mini on the phone. Used to use Firefox, and still have it on the desktop, but over the years it's gotten slow.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2020, 03:19:08 PM »
Firefox’s memory issues are infuriating- it’s why I stopped using it.

A lot of business applications are trending to Chrome as well. Our service information software just went to an updated version that only plays well with Chrome. Our work order/parts ordering/labor management custom software also only works on Chrome. 
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2020, 03:27:41 PM »
Android = Google
Chrome  = Google

*All Android phones and tablets default to Chrome and since most people don't mess with their phone pretty much 100% of Android phones are in the chrome camp. Even if they do download FF and change the defaults Chrome is still often used in the background for many Android tasks.

*Ditto Chrome books.

*The new MS Edge is Chrome now, your W10 computer will update to it automatically if it hasn't already. What applies to the Android phones above applies to W10 as well.

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Re: Firefox
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2020, 03:43:12 PM »
I switched to Waterfox when Firefox changed over to .CSS and broke my add-ons. The Waterfox followed, but Waterfox (so far, at least) also offers Waterfox Classic, which continues to run the old add-ons. But Waterfox is 64-bit only, so I can't use it on my 32-bit Windows tablet. For that, there's pale Moon.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2020, 06:01:52 PM »
Most PCs that I see, folks are using Chrome.  When I see one that needs malware remediation, I'll put Firefox on, so I'll have a clean browser I can work with, without sketchy extensions.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #8 on: August 16, 2020, 06:04:06 PM »
On desktop, I mostly use Firefox, because I can customize it with add-ons. Is there another browser that offers that to the same extent?
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #9 on: August 16, 2020, 06:09:37 PM »
On desktop, I mostly use Firefox, because I can customize it with add-ons. Is there another browser that offers that to the same extent?

Waterfox.

Probably Pale Moon, also, but I haven't used it enough to get into customizing it.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2020, 02:36:20 PM »
Damn, I love my FireFox AND Thunderbird mailer!
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2020, 03:01:44 PM »
Departments here will develop HTML interfaces based on whatever preference the team lead has rather than a published standard. That means I keep Firefox, Chrome, and IE installed at all times because I have to jump between them multiple times a day.

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Re: Firefox
« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2020, 03:43:54 PM »
I use Chromium.  Being free open source software, I'm not overly worried about googles fingers in it.

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Re: Firefox
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2020, 03:54:18 PM »
I use Chromium.  Being free open source software, I'm not overly worried about googles fingers in it.

Windows version no longer available.  (In fact, it's presence on a Windows system is a sign to look for malware.  IMHO&YMMV)
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #14 on: August 25, 2020, 02:06:33 AM »
I went back to Chrome, kept Thunderbird mailer though!
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #15 on: August 25, 2020, 10:08:03 AM »
BTW: If using FF go to Options --> Privacy & Security
Scroll down to Firefox Data Collection and Use
Turn that crap off, particularly Allow Firefox To Install And Run Studies 
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #16 on: August 25, 2020, 10:16:35 AM »
Windows version no longer available.  (In fact, it's presence on a Windows system is a sign to look for malware.  IMHO&YMMV)

I'm on Fedora, but looks like they still do windows x64 builds...

https://www.chromium.org/getting-involved/download-chromium
https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-browser-snapshots/index.html?prefix=Win_x64/801346/

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Re: Firefox
« Reply #17 on: August 25, 2020, 10:23:52 AM »


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Re: Firefox
« Reply #18 on: August 25, 2020, 10:52:34 AM »
Off topic but there is a real life MiG-31 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-31
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2020, 11:12:23 AM »
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #20 on: September 18, 2020, 10:21:42 PM »
Firefox’s memory issues are infuriating- it’s why I stopped using it.


Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.

Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total

With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4

The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6

Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2020, 10:26:00 PM »
Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.

Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total

With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4

The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6

Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot


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Re: Firefox
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2020, 10:26:37 PM »
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2020, 11:40:43 AM »
Been doing a little comparison between FF and Edge as far memory goes by opening up a YT video and a few websites.

Memory used on my PC after a boot is ~2.6 out of 16gb total

With FF memory used goes to ~5-5.5gb
With Edge 3.1-3.4

The big kicker is when I close the browser
After FF closes mem used stays at around ~5-5.5
Edge it goes back down to 2.6

Once FF grabs memory it won't let go of it until a reboot

I have to add something to what I typed above since it doesn't occur 100% of the time.
FF will often release memory, just not always all of it, sometimes used memory will drop down to the mid 3s after closing. Still not releasing all of it though.
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Re: Firefox
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2020, 01:35:24 PM »
FWIW, using Linux Mint, OS alone uses 800MB RAM, loading a youtube video in Firefox bumps it to 1.6GB, the same video in Brave bumps it to 1.4GB. Both go back to 800MB on closing.
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