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Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« on: September 21, 2020, 12:26:20 PM »
Now that my wife is doing her online teaching via Zoom every school day from our spare bedroom, I can attest that her district still does the Pledge of Allegiance.  Every morning at 0835 in my home office, I can hear her leading, and the kids reciting, the Pledge.
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2020, 12:56:32 PM »
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2020, 12:57:24 PM »
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2020, 01:16:34 PM »
Eh, I'm probably in the minority here, but the whole thing has always seemed kinda screwed up to me, even back when I was in school.

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I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

Firstly, pledging allegiance to anything should be a voluntary, informed act.
Secondly, there's the religious aspect.
Thirdly, there's a twisted irony in that children kinda have the least liberty of anyone.

I contend that any pledges of allegiance I made in public school are null and void, due to being made under coercion and without full consent.  :old:

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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2020, 01:18:53 PM »
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2020, 01:21:57 PM »

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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2020, 01:45:40 PM »
Eh, I'm probably in the minority here, but the whole thing has always seemed kinda screwed up to me, even back when I was in school.

Firstly, pledging allegiance to anything should be a voluntary, informed act.
Secondly, there's the religious aspect.
Thirdly, there's a twisted irony in that children kinda have the least liberty of anyone.

I contend that any pledges of allegiance I made in public school are null and void, due to being made under coercion and without full consent.  :old:

All that.   It's a rote patriotic ritual of dubious origin, and oaths are serious business.

I avoid it now, when possible.
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2020, 04:03:55 PM »
I was never a big fan of pledging to a flag.  I think it would be far preferable to pledge to uphold the Constitution.

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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2020, 05:29:08 PM »
I was never a big fan of pledging to a flag.  I think it would be far preferable to pledge to uphold the Constitution.





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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2020, 06:55:52 PM »
Eh, I'm probably in the minority here, but the whole thing has always seemed kinda screwed up to me, even back when I was in school.

Firstly, pledging allegiance to anything should be a voluntary, informed act.
Secondly, there's the religious aspect.
Thirdly, there's a twisted irony in that children kinda have the least liberty of anyone.

I contend that any pledges of allegiance I made in public school are null and void, due to being made under coercion and without full consent.  :old:

I also find it ironic that the author of the pledge was a socialist.
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #10 on: September 22, 2020, 12:27:05 AM »
As a 22 year Navy veteran and all around patriotic misanthrope, I dislike the pledge in schools. Should be informed and voluntary. Then again I disliked the Sailors Creed they cooked up halfway through my time. It became rote, before every big to-do and being mandatory it seemed to lessen the oath to the Constitution I took six or seven times.

But, on a completely different tack I am patiently waiting for the first person to kneel at a dirt track race when the anthem plays. Have to be a brave person in truth because you gotta know you're going to get the crap kicked out of you, possibly with the aid of over-sized hand tools.
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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #11 on: September 22, 2020, 01:21:37 AM »
But, on a completely different tack I am patiently waiting for the first person to kneel at a dirt track race when the anthem plays. Have to be a brave person in truth because you gotta know you're going to get the crap kicked out of you, possibly with the aid of over-sized hand tools.

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Re: Pledge of Allegiance in schools
« Reply #12 on: September 22, 2020, 10:22:04 AM »
I was just thinking doing the pledge daily makes it just a habit they do without thinking about it.  Doing it at gatherings and such would have more impact.  I like the idea of including the constitution.  Make it more like the military oath.  It all bears thinking on. 
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