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That will be a big boom!
« on: September 28, 2020, 07:38:34 AM »
Gotta love this headline from CNBC this morning...

"Hydrogen is at a ‘tipping point’ with $11 trillion market set to explode, says Bank of America"

If the market explodes, that will be one big boom...
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #1 on: September 28, 2020, 08:51:25 AM »
Ha.  :laugh:

On a side note, I now know there is something called blue ammonia. Looks like that might be how the Middle East oil kings will transition into the "alternative energy" game.

https://www.ibtimes.com/what-blue-ammonia-saudi-arabia-makes-maiden-shipment-fuel-japan-3052872
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #2 on: September 28, 2020, 09:40:27 AM »
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #5 on: September 28, 2020, 10:02:23 AM »
I thought ammonia was banned as a refrigerant because of its toxicity.  (Or suffocating nature.)

So how are they "spinning" that one?

Me, if there was a leak and  if I had a choice, I'd rather breathe 5% H2 or maybe even 5% Freon than 5% ammonia.

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« Reply #6 on: September 28, 2020, 10:08:27 AM »
Me, if there was a leak and  if I had a choice, I'd rather breathe 5%H2 or maybe even 5% Freon than 5% ammonia.

Yup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4D8FrKUYkK4
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« Reply #7 on: September 28, 2020, 10:11:17 AM »
I thought ammonia was banned as a refrigerant because of its toxicity.  (Or suffocating nature.)


Nope, ammonia is pretty common in industrial refrigeration.
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« Reply #8 on: September 28, 2020, 10:15:57 AM »
Nope, ammonia has been used commercially pretty much non-stop. Cheap and effective. Also still used in absorption refrigerators, I believe.
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2020, 10:19:36 AM »
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2020, 10:27:34 AM »
Dammit. I can't top Ivanova.

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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2020, 11:21:59 AM »
Yep still used in campers and off grid housing.
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« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2020, 11:37:25 AM »
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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2020, 12:12:56 PM »
Tangentially related, I have an old residential absorption A/C unit.  3 Ton, fired off natural gas.  1960's vintage.  It's a neat piece, and I intend to get it running for demonstrating the technology to students in our HVAC program where I teach.  We exclusively cover vapor compression refrigeration, it would be nice to at least show them absorption.

I'm a professor of HVAC, have a degree in HVAC, hold a refrigerant license and a master mechanical contractors license... but I haven't had any luck finding ammonia refrigerant (R717) for sale anywhere.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2020, 12:17:21 PM »
Just a wild guess, but what do you think the cost-to-run comparison between that kind of unit and a similarly sized compression unit would be?
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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2020, 12:22:54 PM »
This place claims to sell R717...

http://www.linde-gas.com/en/products_and_supply/refrigerants/natural_refrigerants/r717_ammonia/index.html

Yea, so do Praxaire and Airgas.  Actually making it happen went nowhere though.

I suspect they're highly suspicious of an individual wanting a small quantity, because terrorism, drugs or whatever.

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2020, 01:32:51 PM »
Tangentially related, I have an old residential absorption A/C unit.  3 Ton, fired off natural gas.  1960's vintage.  It's a neat piece, and I intend to get it running for demonstrating the technology to students in our HVAC program where I teach.  We exclusively cover vapor compression refrigeration, it would be nice to at least show them absorption.

I'm a professor of HVAC, have a degree in HVAC, hold a refrigerant license and a master mechanical contractors license... but I haven't had any luck finding ammonia refrigerant (R717) for sale anywhere.

I understand there are truckloads of it shipped around in agricultural areas for fertilizer and I believe also for killing weeds or something.

I remember there being a problem with farm storage since the "hippies" used it to make some kind of drugs and would steal it.

Maybe you were perceived as one uh them "kitchen chemists," if yuh get my drift.  Next time wear a coat and tie when you inquire.  Or overhauls.  One or t'other.  Whichever.  :rofl:

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« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2020, 01:40:57 PM »
That's weird as crap. You've got your license and credentials, you've told them what you want it for, and they still won't sell you any?
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2020, 01:48:35 PM »
Times have changed, Mike.  There used to be a time when a 17 year old could walk into Eimer and Amend and buy each of the big three:  Nitric, sulphuric, and hydrochloric.


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« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2020, 01:56:45 PM »
Yes, Grandpa Simpson, I realize that times have changed.

But the question is have times really changed THAT much that a LICENSED, REGISTERED professional with teaching credentials can't buy products related to his profession?

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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #21 on: September 28, 2020, 02:08:40 PM »
This seems like a problem Amazon.com and a distillation setup could solve....

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« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2020, 10:13:05 AM »
Hey Nick, just thought of something...


How are you trying to order the stuff? Personally, using your credentials?

How about having your college/university order the material through their purchasing department? That might smooth things a bit.

As an alternative, maybe you could work a deal with someone in your area who services commercial refrigeration units?
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2020, 10:35:45 AM »
There is or was a large RV place in Olathe that serviced them might be worth a call.

The only guy a knew that worked on them passed away several years ago.
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Re: That will be a big boom!
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2020, 10:41:50 AM »
Hey Nick, just thought of something...


How are you trying to order the stuff? Personally, using your credentials?

How about having your college/university order the material through their purchasing department? That might smooth things a bit.

As an alternative, maybe you could work a deal with someone in your area who services commercial refrigeration units?

That's a good idea, and I should investigate that avenue.  The college would support the endeavor, and I could have it shipped to our warehouse.  Thanks for the thought.