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« on: October 06, 2020, 05:57:32 PM »

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Director of National Intelligence John Ratcliffe on Tuesday declassified documents that revealed former CIA Director John Brennan briefed former President Obama on Hillary Clinton’s purported “plan” to tie then-candidate Donald Trump to Russia as “a means of distracting the public from her use of a private email server” ahead of the 2016 presidential election, Fox News has learned.

Ratcliffe declassified Brennan’s handwritten notes – which were taken after he briefed Obama on the intelligence the CIA received – and a CIA memo, which revealed that officials referred the matter to the FBI for potential investigative action.
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I have fully authorized the total Declassification of any & all documents pertaining to the single greatest political CRIME in American History, the Russia Hoax. Likewise, the Hillary Clinton Email Scandal. No redactions! https://t.co/GgnHh9GOiq

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 7, 2020

‘Here we go’! Trump says he’s declassifying all documents related to the ‘single greatest political CRIME in American history’
https://twitchy.com/dougp-3137/2020/10/06/here-we-go-trump-says-hes-declassifying-all-documents-related-to-the-single-greatest-political-crime-in-american-history/

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« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2020, 06:15:05 PM »

"What difference at this point does it make?"
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2020, 06:26:32 PM »

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How long can the media ignore the treason?
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« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2020, 07:11:41 PM »

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How long can the media ignore the treason?

4 years if the past 4 years is any clue. My only hope is that this action means that any impact to Durham's probe has been discussed and there isn't any because he already has charges ready.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2020, 08:09:55 PM »

How long can the media ignore this?  Forever.
And Durham isn't bringing any charges.  He was one and done with the earlier indictment. There won't be any more, and there likely will not be a report until after the election, if even then.
We were naive to even get our hopes up.
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« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 09:17:54 PM »

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How long can the media ignore the treason?

Well, they're a part of it, so...
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« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2020, 04:31:52 AM »

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How long can the media ignore this?  Forever.
And Durham isn't bringing any charges.  He was one and done with the earlier indictment. There won't be any more, and there likely will not be a report until after the election, if even then.
We were naive to even get our hopes up.


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« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2020, 04:35:48 AM »

How long can the media ignore this?  Forever.
And Durham isn't bringing any charges.  He was one and done with the earlier indictment. There won't be any more, and there likely will not be a report until after the election, if even then.
We were naive to even get our hopes up.
Come on, man - Durham will send at least as many perps to jail as the tough talking Darryl Issa and even tougher talking Trey Gowdy combined.
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« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2020, 05:02:23 AM »

These are the same people1 who brazenly wiped all their government owned devices during the Mueller "Investigation".

I'm more than certain they already destroyed anything truly damaging.



1: And I don't mean "same type of people", I mean the EXACT SAME PEOPLE committed all these crimes prior to the election and then were given free rein to "investigate" the same things... meaning wiping clean evidence of their own malfeasance while casting aspersions on Trump and attempting a "soft coup".
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2020, 05:10:26 AM »


I'm more than certain they already destroyed anything truly damaging.


Yup. For that "deep state" definition we often argue about, here you go. The only documents getting declassified are the ones that weren't somehow destroyed or disappeared. The person at the CIA with all the power is a certified Trump hater. There might be a trail to "Oops, I wonder what happened to those docs? We had controls in place.", but the result will be the same as "accidentally" wiping/breaking a dozen phones in the same office that somehow weren't backed up by the IT department, which is a lot of talk and no action.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2020, 07:17:09 AM »

“In late July 2016, U.S. intelligence agencies obtained insight into Russian intelligence analysis alleging that U.S. Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton had approved a campaign plan to stir up a scandal against U.S. Presidential candidate Donald Trump by tying him to Putin and the Russians' hacking of the Democratic National Committee. The IC does not know the accuracy of this allegation or the extent to which the Russian intelligence analysis may reflect exaggeration or fabrication.”

“According to his handwritten notes, former Central Intelligence Agency Director Brennan subsequently briefed President Obama and other senior national security officials on the intelligence, including the ‘alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on July 26, 2016 of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by Russian security services.’”

So Brennan told Obama that the CIA overheard the Russians say that Hillary Clinton is going to attack Trump by tying him to Russians and the email hack. Do I have that correct?
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2020, 08:17:22 AM »

So Brennan told Obama that the CIA overheard the Russians say that Hillary Clinton is going to attack Trump by tying him to Russians and the email hack. Do I have that correct?

Yes. The head of the CIA briefed the President about this specific piece of intelligence.

If it is unimportant, as you are implying, why did the head of the CIA think it was important enough to tell the president about?
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2020, 08:57:59 AM »

I'm more than certain they already destroyed anything truly damaging.

This, with bells on.
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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2020, 09:27:52 AM »

Yes. The head of the CIA briefed the President about this specific piece of intelligence.

If it is unimportant, as you are implying, why did the head of the CIA think it was important enough to tell the president about?

Just making sure I have it right. There is no mention of the source of that piece of intelligence in the original post, a lot of the headlines gloss right over that.
It does seem odd that Brennan would think that Obama would need to know what the Russians think the Clinton campaign was going to do to attack the Trump campaign.
Wouldn't the Clinton campaign be a better source than the Russians for that kind of info?
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2020, 09:30:44 AM »

Just making sure I have it right. There is no mention of the source of that piece of intelligence in the original post, a lot of the headlines gloss right over that.
It does seem odd that Brennan would think that Obama would need to know what the Russians think the Clinton campaign was going to do to attack the Trump campaign.
Wouldn't the Clinton campaign be a better source than the Russians for that kind of info?

You're right to think that's a very strange piece of intelligence to share with the Commander in Chief.

Why, it's almost as if the CinC might have already been aware of the information that the Russians had discovered, and so was briefed so that he knew that the Russians ALSO knew this information.

That really seems to be the only reason it would be important enough to include in a Presidential briefing, doesn't it?
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2020, 10:28:00 AM »

Just making sure I have it right. There is no mention of the source of that piece of intelligence in the original post, a lot of the headlines gloss right over that.
It does seem odd that Brennan would think that Obama would need to know what the Russians think the Clinton campaign was going to do to attack the Trump campaign.
Wouldn't the Clinton campaign be a better source than the Russians for that kind of info?

I think you are making an assumption that Clinton would have shared what she was doing with Obama. Either ahead of time or if he asked. I never got the impression that the Clinton’s and Obama’s nor many of their respective circles were all that friendly. Sure once she had the nomination he supported her as the Dem candidate; but would they have been working that closely even then?

I would say it’s entirely possible he may have learned some information about what she was doing this way. He still had a responsibility if he knew the whole Russian Hoax was mostly a Clinton campaign operation.

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2020, 11:17:15 AM »

the CinC might have already been aware of the information that the Russians had discovered, and so was briefed so that he knew that the Russians ALSO knew this information.

That really seems to be the only reason it would be important enough to include in a Presidential briefing, doesn't it?

Why is it important that Obama knew that the Russians knew that Clinton was going to attack Trump for ties to Russia? By that point who didn't know that?
What might that mean? Well, we already know that on July 24, 2016, when the DNC hack was in the news, Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook went on TV to allege that Trump was somehow linked to the Russian hack. That same day, the New York Times reported that portraying Trump as too close to Russia was "emerging as a theme of Mrs. Clinton's campaign." So everyone knows that the Clinton campaign, in public, was trying to link Trump to the Russian hack.
For what it’s worth, I surmise that the Russians probably did believe Clinton had approved this political narrative because it lines up with contemporaneous events – it would not have taken a genius to figure it out.
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« Reply #17 on: October 07, 2020, 11:23:36 AM »

But was it a hack? Under oath the head of the company that looked at the servers, that they wouldn't let the FBI see, said they could not find how the information got out.

Press did not come ver that admission at all.
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« Reply #18 on: October 07, 2020, 03:39:13 PM »

Why is it important that Obama knew that the Russians knew that Clinton was going to attack Trump for ties to Russia? By that point who didn't know that?
theoretically there should be much more coming to light than just this particular tidbit.

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2020, 04:02:40 PM »

theoretically there should be much more coming to light than just this particular tidbit.



Hoping this is just the tip of the Oct Iceberg
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2020, 04:11:14 PM »

Time to make a deal with Assange,  he's probably got the relevant missing info.
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2020, 04:00:38 PM »

Attorneys from the Department of Justice argued in court on Tuesday that President Trump's tweets authorizing the "total declassification of any & all documents" related to the Russia investigation and Hillary Clinton's emails should not be considered real declassification orders.
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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2020, 08:43:32 PM »

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I'm pretty sure the DOJ has made (and won!) this argument about Trump tweets before.

Works right up to the moment Trump tweets "no, really, declassify it all, that's an order."

Which he absolutely can do as he is presently the Final Classification Authority.  It is law he can declassify anything at any time for any or no reason at all.
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2020, 05:54:01 AM »

Works right up to the moment Trump tweets ...

Or if he's serious about it then maybe just send over a memo, something a bit more official not to mention secure.
It seems dumb to try to make official orders over twitter if the DOJ is repeatedly arguing they don't need to follow them.

“Because the president’s tweet amounts to speculation, it does not” require agencies to acknowledge whether documents exist, U.S. District Judge Amy Berman Jackson ruled in a case concerning whether Trump was under investigation.

"As already discussed, the president's statements may very well be based on media reports or his own personal knowledge, or could simply be viewed as political statements intended to counter media accounts about the Russia investigation, rather than assertions of pure fact," U.S. District Judge Amit Mehta ruled in a case seeking release of the government synopsis of a dossier of information about Trump.
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« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2020, 07:52:37 AM »


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