The 2020 Presidential election

[RocketMan]

The reputations of Sidney Powell and Lin Wood are giving these claims a lot of credibility, but they seem to be relying on some less credible sources.

It would appear that Trump's legal team is not doing even basic fact checking of their sources.  I wonder if the researcher became so enamored of the data set, so convinced that he had found a smoking gun, that he neglected to go back and check the data from the source forward to ensure it was accurate.
This is an absolutely huge mistake and calls into question the rest of their statistical evidence in my opinion.  If they cannot fix this problem quickly and in a believable way, Biden wins, and Trump's legal team should just pack it in and go home.

[Angel Eyes]

"After Dominion Voting Systems backed out of attending a planned fact-finding hearing with the #PAHouse State Government Committee, committee members will now hold a press conference to discuss the election. "

https://twitter.com/PAHouseGOP/status/1329793141252251652

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ami4y706qvU

[TommyGunn]

It would appear that Trump's legal team is not doing even basic fact checking of their sources.  I wonder if the researcher became so enamored of the data set, so convinced that he had found a smoking gun, that he neglected to go back and check the data from the source forward to ensure it was accurate.
This is an absolutely huge mistake and calls into question the rest of their statistical evidence in my opinion.  If they cannot fix this problem quickly and in a believable way, Biden wins, and Trump's legal team should just pack it in and go home.

Powell claims to have numbers experts that have  done the crunching.  She offered one to Tucker Carlson,  who reportedly refused.  She and others seem pretty confident that they have done the fact checking.

I don't know, for my part.  I don't think anyone outside the Woods/Powell circle really does know,  and they're not obliged to provide anything until the discovery phase of the legal proceding occurs.  Some believe they won't provide ANY info before discovery  to avoid having witnesses harassed by media myrmidons .... or worse.

I've heard it said that either 1.)  This is the biggest crime in American history if the Powell assertions are true, or 2.)  The biggest hoax in American history if it's made up of stuff and nonsense amongst whole cloth and unicorn horns.

I dunno  for my part.  I realize the tabulated numbers we know about say Biden won and not enough "fraud" was commited to overturn that conclusion.   But is that really the whole story? What about the Dominion system flipping votes?  Can that make a difference?  Why are Dominion employees "flying the coop?" --- offices being abandoned?   That sure as h3ll looks bad!

And,  on top of it all,  I've heard it opined that SCOTUS  will refuse to hear the case,  because they do not wish to be perceived as having anything to do with "installing" the next president - - -  a "separation of powers" thing.

So...imagine,   SCOTUS refuses the case,   all hail President "Ponysoldier" Biden,   then  a year down the road,   the dam breaks,  the truth outs,  and there is real absolute, irrefutable PROOF  that the election was stolen.


Wow.  Can we imagine the fun that ensues?      [/Twilight zone episode]

[Ben]

Biden will be good for the DC aristocracy.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/23/washington-post-thinks-twice-about-claiming-the-dc-aristocracy-is-looking-forward-to-schmoozing-again-under-biden/

[DittoHead]

The most aggressive call to boycott or cast protest ballots in the two runoff races has, so far, come from a dormant pro-Trump super PAC with ties to Stone that unveiled a new initiative to retaliate against the Republican Party’s supposed turncoats by handing Democrats control of the U.S. Senate.

The group, dubbed the Committee for American Sovereignty, unveiled a new website encouraging Georgia Republicans to write in Trump’s name in both of the upcoming Senate runoff elections, which could determine the party that controls the upper chamber during President-elect Joe Biden’s first two years in office. The PAC argued that doing so will show support for the president in addition to forcing Republicans to address the wild election-fraud conspiracy theories floated by Trump supporters and members of his own legal team.

Is it circular firing squad time already?

[RocketMan]

Once again DittoHead, you are taking a story in the Daily Beast at full face value.  They make stuff up out of whole cloth on a regular basis.  They are nearly as bad as the New York Times.

[DittoHead]

Once again DittoHead, you are taking a story in the Daily Beast at full face value.  They make stuff up out of whole cloth on a regular basis.  They are nearly as bad as the New York Times.

The website is real as is the PAC behind it although I'm not sure about its history or the Roger Stone involvement. The stuff Lin Wood and Sidney Powell tweeted is real. Ali Alexander is saying that stupid stuff and Don Jr. did feel it was important enough to tell people they should should be ignored, that's not made up. If there's something specific in there you that you know is wrong feel free to point it out but the point is that these morons are doing more harm than good. Thankfully, I don't believe they've gotten much traction but in a close race like these are expected to be even minor players fighting against you can be problematic.

Here's the short and sweet version:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/the-conspiracy-theory-that-could-hand-joe-biden-the-senate

[Ron]

Is it circular firing squad time already?

What's this aready?

The "right" is in perpetual firing squad mode  

[Ben]

Never, ever take the MSM and their "journalists" seriously again. Ever.

"Oh good golly, it's like the best season of the West Wing!"

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/11/24/sens-tom-cotton-marco-rubio-didnt-get-the-memo-about-joe-bidens-cabinet-being-like-superheroes/

[Ben]

Eleven million new democrats within 100 days of the Biden admin. Staggering numbers. That's like five times the population of my entire state. And people say we don't need an Electoral College.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-says-hell-push-pathway-to-citizenship-for-over-11-million-undocumented-people-in-first-100-days

[Ron]

Doesn't look like the President is going to slink away with his tail between his legs.

This man fights.

[Blakenzy]

What convinces me of widespread conspiratorial organized fraud is how hard the MSM is pushing the "nothing to see here, you're just crazy for not believing, move along, move along" rhetoric, they are soooooo biased they are a propaganda outlet, nothing more... combined with the unabashed social media censorship that has now become the norm, one has to think something big is being hidden. I'm actually scared.

[Ron]

What convinces me of widespread conspiratorial organized fraud is how hard the MSM is pushing the "nothing to see here, you're just crazy for not believing, move along, move along" rhetoric, they are soooooo biased they are a propaganda outlet, nothing more... combined with the unabashed social media censorship that has now become the norm, one has to think something big is being hidden. I'm actually scared.

The suckage of 2020 cannot be understated.

Saving the republic under the Trump banner seems pretty absurd, but man, he speaks a lot of inconvenient realities and he is bringing it to the opposition.  

He has the best enemies, all the bad guys are lined up against him and the squishy quislings are revealing themselves daily.

There really isn't much for us to do though, other than watch.

[MillCreek]

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-alleged-voter-fraud-witness-shush-viral-video-7-million-times-1551990

Another credible witness found by Mr. Giuliani.

[Ron]

https://www.newsweek.com/rudy-giuliani-alleged-voter-fraud-witness-shush-viral-video-7-million-times-1551990

Another credible witness found by Mr. Giuliani.

Is your contention that all evidence and witnesses presented are now tainted because questions about one witness can be raised?

You have any (rhetorical) ammo in your magazines for the left or is it only reserved for the right?

[MillCreek]

^^^It is more that the logical inference is that this witness is lying through her teeth.  Back when I was doing trial work, and someone refused to take the oath before testifying (usually because they were concerned about being prosecuted for perjury), either the judge would not allow the testimony at all or would give an instruction to the jury as to credibility.  Mr. Giuliani, as a lawyer, knows this, even though this was not a trial.

[DittoHead]

You have any (rhetorical) ammo in your magazines for the left or is it only reserved for the right?

I'm a bit surprised how little ammo has been sent towards the libertarians lately.

In the six states where Trump is reportedly losing by the thinnest margins, the impact of the Libertarian candidate either flipped the election to Biden or very nearly did. Notably, the Green Party candidate was not present on the ballot in any of these states except for Michigan, where he only won 0.2 percent of the vote. As the chart below shows, if the voters who’d opted for Libertarian presidential candidate Jo Jorgenson had chosen Trump instead, Biden would now be losing in Georgia, Arizona, and Wisconsin, and his lead in Pennsylvania would be just 2,263 votes.

That was even the Democrats best angle against Mitch too (obviously not good enough).
https://www.teammitch.com/report-brad-barron-backed-by-bernie-and-aoc-donors/

[cordex]

I'm a bit surprised how little ammo has been sent towards the libertarians lately.

I've heard some of this.  I don't think Libertarians (or Greens, or whatever other upstart party) owe their vote to one party or another in a close election.  While in a lot of ways it is easier for some Libertarians to hold their nose and vote R, it is by no means universal.  Plenty are extremely supportive of ideas less popular among Republicans, such as being pro-abortion, pro-open borders, etc.

[DittoHead]

I don't think Libertarians (or Greens, or whatever other upstart party) owe their vote to one party or another in a close election.

To be clear, I agree with this. I have no problem "throwing my vote away" (in a swing state no less!) when both of the major party candidates are unacceptable to me.

[Ron]

I never expect much from libertarians as most are really just leftists.

Many don't realize it of course.

Yet, if you start examining their assumptions, presuppositions and axioms you realize they really are just leftists.

No difference between them other than their personal preferences.

Once you abandon natures God you lose the lifeline to both reality and transcendent truth.  

This is just an observation I've made over the years as a once self described "classical liberal".

[Angel Eyes]

Trump isn't the only one challenging election results:


https://thefederalist.com/2020/12/02/iowa-democrat-who-lost-her-house-race-wants-nancy-pelosi-to-overturn-the-election-result/

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/11/30/recounts-lawsuits-house-seats-vacant-441668

[RocketMan]

Trump supporter's house bombed north of Detroit.

https://disrn.com/news/man-throws-explosives-into-michigan-home-owner-says-it-was-because-he-supports-trump

[RocketMan]

Rudy is done as Trump's point man in the courts.  Not that it mattered, anyway.

https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19

[TommyGunn]

Rudy is done as Trump's point man in the courts.  Not that it mattered, anyway.

https://disrn.com/news/rudy-giuliani-tests-positive-for-covid-19

So .... you think it will be a fatal case? ? ?      

[RocketMan]

Nope, he'll be quarantined, greatly reducing his effectiveness.