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2nd Impeachment trial
« on: January 21, 2021, 01:13:03 PM »
Soooo, why are they still going forward with the trial?  Trump is out of office.  They can’t impose any other penalties on him aside from barring him from running for public office again.  Which is highly doubtful that he’d run, let alone win, again anyway.  I mean, I get it, they want to humiliate him.  But if they really want to do that why not fabricate some felony to send to prison for a few years?  Or find some victimless process crime that everyone is guilty of. 

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2021, 01:15:11 PM »
Maybe they're just creating an atmosphere that will explain away his future suicide . . . .

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2021, 01:23:39 PM »
It's about 2024:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-block-from-seeking-presidency-again

Yeah, but first they have to get a conviction in the senate.  That would require at least 16 R’s to vote along it with it, along with no Ds breaking ranks (eg Manchin, and other Ds from red or purple states that want to at least look like they want unity).  I could easily see Romney, Murky, Sasse and a few others doing so, just out of spite, but even McConnell probably won’t just because Trump is already gone so there’s nothing to be gained.  Even if they succeed they’ll be more likely to make Trump a martyr in the eyes of much of the country, and then he’d be the kingmaker rather than the king.

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2021, 01:30:00 PM »
but even McConnell probably won’t just because Trump is already gone so there’s nothing to be gained.

I'm not even sure about McConnell, given what he said the other day about Trump blowing the coded dog whistle for his insurrectionists.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2021, 01:37:34 PM »
If Trump can get out there the fact that the riot started 12 minutes before he even finished speaking, plus the walking time from his rally to the capitol I think a lot of people will become a lot less supportive of convicting him.  That may sway enough senators to vote for acquittal to end it.

Forgetting that it was planned weeks in advance by groups he had no involvement with.  Or that his actual words were to peacefully (actually, not the 93% liberal peaceful) protest, not to riot.

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2021, 01:54:44 PM »
Maybe they're just creating an atmosphere that will explain away his future suicide . . . .

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2021, 04:33:51 PM »
Donald Trump did not kill himself.

Yet.  Give Hillary time to work on it.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2021, 10:30:34 PM »
I simply don't see a 2024 run, and I don't think anyone else realistically is worried about one either. He'd be 80, the amount of baggage he has is incredible, and for all of his supporters they aren't going to overcome his detractors, especially as their numbers dwindle over the next four years. In terms of being discredited, pretty much everyone who is that worried about discrediting him already feels he is thoroughly discredited. So I don't think that's an issue either.

But, what it would do is bar him from holding federal office again. While I don't see another presidential run, with midterms I can see him selecting a district with a favorable demographic and suitable golf course to get a seat in the house, maybe a senate seat if he see's any that would be a sure thing. While a demotion of sorts doesn't fit his character, being a prick and maintaining relevance most certainly is in his character. Hell, being in a position to go argue with Pelosi on occasion could pretty well serve as his retirement hobby on days when the weather isn't favorable for a round of golf.

That, along with any other protections and privileges typically afforded former presidents, being barred by a conviction is I think the end goal. 
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2021, 11:14:05 PM »
I don't see him ever running again either.  He has fanatical support among a small minority of voters, but he's lost any influence he had in the party.  He strikes me as the kind of guy who would view a seat in congress as a step down, so that seems unlikely.   Maybe a third party bid, but third parties don't win.

I think the impeachment is pure personal revenge.  Just the Dem's final insult on his way out the door.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2021, 12:13:50 AM »
The dems wont rest till they have killed or destroyed Trump and as many of his family members and associates as they can.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2021, 12:26:46 AM »
The dems wont rest till they have killed or destroyed Trump and as many of his family members and associates as they can.

And tar anyone who dares run a Trumpist platform without the Trump.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2021, 07:59:03 AM »
Impeaching Trump now doesn't have to make sense to those who worry about coherency, reason and logic.

The vast majority of the stories we are being told in the media or by official sources are nonsense, "fake", without coherency, reason or logic.

Impeaching Trump is just reinforcing the "Trump is bad" in a double plus bad way in the minds of the moronic masses.





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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2021, 08:52:59 AM »
I don't see him ever running again either.  He has fanatical support among a small minority of voters, but he's lost any influence he had in the party.  He strikes me as the kind of guy who would view a seat in congress as a step down, so that seems unlikely.   Maybe a third party bid, but third parties don't win.

I think the impeachment is pure personal revenge.  Just the Dem's final insult on his way out the door.

Agree with all here. Trump wouldn't do a Senate run after being President (I doubt any former president would). And YEAH, the entrenched republican party has acted like rats on the sinking ship. The majority turned on him in the end. Cocaine Mitch, who many here (including me) were praising on his recent stances, in the last week of Trump's administration, turned right back around to being an entrenched swamp creature.

The politicians want politicians. I'm not sure that we'll see another outsider like Trump running in my lifetime. In 2024, the Rs will return to "Jebs" running for President.
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2021, 09:40:36 AM »
Politicians are worried about "legacy" as well.  If they convict him, in addition to never holding office again, my understanding is he wouldn't get an official presidential library, and they wouldn't have to invite him to all the things ex-presidents show up for (like future inaugurations, State Funerals, stuff like that.)  It makes the erasure more permanent, and I think they want that.

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« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2021, 10:30:32 AM »
Take heart, fellow APS denizens! The first articles of impeachment filed against President Biden!  I am sure the Representative will have many colleagues signing on.

https://vt.co/news/us/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-has-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2021, 10:37:25 AM »
Take heart, fellow APS denizens! The first articles of impeachment filed against President Biden!  I am sure the Representative will have many colleagues signing on.

https://vt.co/news/us/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-has-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post

Well going by what the dems declared when they filed articles of impeachment against Trump this means Biden has to step down, someone can't be president while under investigation right?


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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2021, 11:53:20 AM »
Take heart, fellow APS denizens! The first articles of impeachment filed against President Biden!  I am sure the Representative will have many colleagues signing on.

https://vt.co/news/us/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-says-she-has-filed-articles-of-impeachment-against-joe-biden?utm_source=vt&utm_medium=junglecreations&utm_campaign=post

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2021, 04:16:56 PM »
Patrick Leahy to preside over the second impeachment trial:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/leahy-to-preside-over-senate-impeachment-trial


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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #19 on: January 25, 2021, 04:26:53 PM »
I saw Rand Paul on TV the other night, and he stated that Chief Justice Roberts flatly refused to preside over the impeachment trial of a NON-President.

To proceed with a trial anyway with a very partisan Democrat presiding . . . can you say "kangaroo court?"    :facepalm:
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #20 on: January 25, 2021, 04:38:19 PM »
I saw Rand Paul on TV the other night, and he stated that Chief Justice Roberts flatly refused to preside over the impeachment trial of a NON-President.

To proceed with a trial anyway with a very partisan Democrat presiding . . . can you say "kangaroo court?"    :facepalm:

Courts are NOT about rule of law with democratic socialists (communists); it is merely a political cudgel they use to bash in the brains of anyone they don't like under color of law.

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #21 on: January 25, 2021, 04:42:33 PM »
Hmmmm . . . here's a thought.

If Patrick Leahy - a sitting senator - is to preside over a second impeachment trial, he doesn't get to vote on the verdict, does he?

In which case, a simple vote to dismiss would have 50 Republicans vs. 49 Democrats - case dismissed. (Assuming Romney and a few others don't go full retard.)
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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #22 on: January 25, 2021, 04:57:02 PM »
Highly unlikely Romney will miss an opportunity to go full retard.

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #23 on: January 25, 2021, 05:17:07 PM »
The fact it is going forward shows the whole Senate has gone full clown world.

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Re: 2nd Impeachment trial
« Reply #24 on: January 25, 2021, 05:21:54 PM »
OMG! They're going to remove Trump from office!
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