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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2007, 06:08:12 AM »
Hate is strong, but I've disliked the man for fifteen years, ever since he suckered the city into paying for a new Ballpark that was purely to his profit and has done absolutely nothing for the community. We were going to have a Riverwalk! And all kinds of retail!

But surely all that will come now that we've been conned into building another private revenue source with public moneys, honest!

He was born a crook and will die one as well.
You are blaming Bush for that?  Why?  Blame your freaking local politicians, not Bush.  Who voted for it?  Talk about misplaced.  I guess you are going to blame him for the new football stadium also?  Bush only owned like 1.5% of the team.  Why are you blaming it all on him anyway? 

I guess this is another Bush hate thread.

At the time Bush probably _was_ their local politician. 

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2007, 09:00:50 AM »
Bush was the managing partner of the team, used his name prestige to get there and wine and dine the locals, and then threatened to leave town without a stadium. He sold it with promises of turning what was, essentially a wasteland bordered by light industrial into a retail/tourist mecca. Once the stadium was built, his ownership group promptly sold the team - none of the promised development materialized.

Said stadium earned him a profit of several thousand percent on his initial investment.

(Oh, and Jerry Jones can take a long walk off a short pier as well - at least I got to vote against that particular folly.)
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2007, 06:56:25 PM »
Iran is Not Like Us. And Imajihad is an evil, evil man.

[snort]Yeah, shovel dude is just another freedom-loving American on the inside.[/snort]

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2007, 07:18:10 PM »
The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
 
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...
 
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2007, 07:23:11 PM »
The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
 
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...

Bullshit.  How many Iranians have you known?  I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen.  They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now.  If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution.  That's how we 'win'.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #30 on: September 28, 2007, 07:30:45 AM »
So you are saying that you approve of the stonings and hangings, as long as it's just them doing it to themselves?

I'm sorry, but I cannot condone that.
 
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2007, 03:32:47 AM »
I didn't vote for either of the SOBs.
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2007, 05:12:29 PM »
The apologists for the "Iranian Culture" need to actually experience it.
 
Of course, possibly some of them _are_ Iranian, and are just "here" via the internet...

Bullshit.  How many Iranians have you known?  I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen.  They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now.  If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution.  That's how we 'win'.


I've met a couple of younger Iranians.  Decent enough folks in general.  They're not happy with the theocracy, and want to push for reforms.  More than a few are pessemistic about short term reforms, but they did point out, the Old Guard has to die out eventually. 

They did meantion one thing.  There is one easy way to unify the entire country, invade or attack it.  I don't claim to be an expert, but I gathered it was their way of saying "Invading our country would cause everyone, even us reform minded people, to unite to defeat any invasion." 
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2007, 07:18:56 PM »
Same here, at least until it's a year or so until an election...
 
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2007, 08:57:12 PM »
It depends on one's viewpoint.

If one aspires to live in a world free from terror and raw hate and threat of war, one recognizes Ahmedinejad as a brigand and bully.  President Bush can be reasonably criticised for some things, like not vetoing more spending bills and such, but he's no where in the rotten league of Ahmedinejad.

On the other hand, if one is a moonbat liberal who has the goal of turning the U. S. into a Socialist Worker's Paradise - and the most heinous crime of all is "EWR" - Elected While Republican - then President Bush is far worse than Ahmedinejad.  After all, President Bush has actually moved the nation away from some of the Socialist goals achieved under President Clinton.

Like I said, viewpoint.
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2007, 11:55:16 PM »
How many homosexuals has Bush lynched?



Don't forget this image. Iran, yes. She had an affair.


Wrong.

Not Iran.  A dutch movie.
The wingnuts aren't very creative, and don't check their facts.  You should.
The woman is actress Smadar Monsinos, a dutch actress.  She's alive and well.

Here's a more legitimate picture of a stoning in Iran:

It's stills from someone's cellphone camera movie.  If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #36 on: September 30, 2007, 03:42:28 AM »
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If I remember correctly, she was one of those gay people that Iran doesn't have.
Perhaps that's why they don't have them.   shocked
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #37 on: September 30, 2007, 09:22:28 AM »
But hey, it's just those brown people, and it's there culture, so we should just let them do whatever they want. In fact, we should let them come over here, and do the same. After all, they want to. They'll be happy to go through our universities for us.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #38 on: September 30, 2007, 12:28:16 PM »
Pretty sure I read that the latter images are of a woman from Iraq.
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #39 on: September 30, 2007, 12:30:04 PM »
http://www.middle-east-online.com/English/?id=20600

She was Yazidi, who are ethnic Kurds. Don't I always hear about what wonderful, pro-American, not-at-all-like-those-other-Muslims people the Kurds are?
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #40 on: September 30, 2007, 02:51:55 PM »
One thing our intellectuals who hate this country so much seem to forget is that pretty much the first people who are eliminated from a repressive society, such as Iran, are the intellectuals...

Wooderson - you'd last maybe a day in that country before their version of a SWAT team, complete with crotch-eatin' K-9 attack goats (Muffy, Fluffy, Puffy, and Mistress of the Great Satan - you -do not- wanna piss that she-devil of a deranged goat off...), would drag you crying and wetting yourself into the street...
 
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #41 on: September 30, 2007, 03:18:02 PM »
In Iran, the repressive elements (the clergy) are the intellectuals. Much like the Catholic Church of our history. Oh, the crazy workings of God.

I don't even know what that last bit is supposed to mean. Iran is Iran - no worse than our allies in the region, better than many, certainly nothing like a society I would choose to patronize with my tourism or support.
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #42 on: October 01, 2007, 05:44:45 AM »
How many Iranians have you known?  I've known a bunch, and they're pro western, pro American, as are most of their countrymen.  They're squashed by a theocratic dictatorship right now.  If we're going to interfere, we need to support an internal revolution.

Dead right. I've known a bunch as well, and every last one pro-western and pro-freedom.

The theocrat minority took over Iran in the '70s in the same way that Lenin took over Russia in the '10s: by exploiting a power vacuum in desperate times. In Iran's case, the desperate times were partly due to our support of the Shah for the previous twenty years, which is why anti-American sentiment ran so high at the time.

The best way to support the moderate forces in Iran, though, is to back off. If, for example, we armed them through the CIA and encouraged them to stage a coup, we would discredit them as American puppets rather than genuine pro-freedom Iranians.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #43 on: October 01, 2007, 07:38:39 AM »
Howzabout we just have a nice meeting with Mr. Worst Dressed, and explain the facts of life to him. With his successor present.

Then, when he doesn't play nice, we have the same meeting with his successor, with his successor present.

What are we paying the CIA for anyway? I want guys in trenchcoats with silenced .380s wandering the streets of Istanbul...

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #44 on: October 01, 2007, 07:44:25 AM »
Howzabout we just have a nice meeting with Mr. Worst Dressed, and explain the facts of life to him. With his successor present.

I prefer waiting for someone to aggress, or threaten imminent aggression, before I kill him. That goes for my next-door neighbor as well as Ahmedinejad and everyone else. I don't kill people because I don't like the cut of their jib, or because they fail to tremble before me or obey my mighty will.

When they actually commit or threaten actual harm to persons and property, they become fair game.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #45 on: October 01, 2007, 08:29:12 AM »
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Who do you think is worse, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush.

Worse at what?

Causing death? Curtailing my freedoms? Speaking in public? Having the 'nads to go into an enemy's land and speak at one of it's universities? At being a comedian?
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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #46 on: October 01, 2007, 08:13:39 PM »
I had a choice between President Bush and a Democrat for 2 elections in a row.

Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again.  After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.

On the other hand, many Democrats think a Democrat in the office of the president is better than a Republican.


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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #47 on: October 02, 2007, 02:52:40 AM »
Yes, I voted for Bush both times and I would do it again.  After all, many people think a Republican in the office of the president is better than a Democrat.

You might be surprised how many Republicans think we'd have been better off without Bush. I thought Clinton was everything but the antichrist himself. Believe me, it's no pleasure to admit that Bush is much worse than Clinton was. He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #48 on: October 02, 2007, 06:42:31 AM »
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton.   As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.

My own beliefs is that the Congress and Senate are more important than the president.  They make laws and the president can sign them or veto them.  If vetoed, they can be over ridden.

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Re: Who do you think is worse, Ahmadinejad or President George W. Bush?
« Reply #49 on: October 02, 2007, 06:44:48 AM »
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He's a bigger tax and spend liberal than Clinton was, despite the (R), before we even consider his aggressive war in Iraq or his assault on the bill of rights.
I admit Bush spent more than Clinton.   As I remember it, Clinton would have spent far more if the Republican Congress and Senate had passed many of the bills that was presented to them.


Hopefully it bothers everyone that Bush was able to spend so much money with a Republican congress.