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Author Topic: AB 1471 - Microstamping, signed. A pox on the governator.  (Read 12022 times)
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« on: October 13, 2007, 12:45:53 PM »

That dirty stinking Kennedy signed it.
http://bradycampaign.org/media/release.php?release=933
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« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2007, 12:49:27 PM »

My condolences to those Californians that are still behind enemy lines.  Reading this news made me glad, yet again, that I got out in 2005 for a free state.
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« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2007, 12:58:44 PM »

Where did you move to?
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« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2007, 01:47:19 PM »

that settles it. fence Cali off and give it back to mexico.  rotten austrian bastard.
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« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2007, 02:09:48 PM »

Hopefully now, all gun makers will say, "You know, CA as a market isn't worth our time and money to do this to our guns...we won't recoup profit on it. Seeya!"

Too bad for the citizens of CA, but maybe they'll be inspired to a backlash that much quicker.

Also, there's this coming:

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The City of Long Beach is in the preliminary stages of crafting an ordinance requiring ammunition sales to be logged by all Federal Firearm Licensees (FFLs) and electronically sent to law enforcement.  Under this possible ordinance, it is likely that purchasers will be forced to present identification and submit to fingerprinting simply to purchase a box of ammunition to hunt or go to the range.  It has been transferred to the Public Safety Advisory Committee and the Public Safety Committee.  Thus far the Public Safety Advisory Commission has withheld judgment on the issue at two consecutive meetings and the Public Safety Committee is waiting for input and recommendation from the Public Safety Advisory Committee.

My advice for Californians? If something isn't done soon, drastically, on the political front, your only option will be to eject or lose all your guns, rights, and freedoms, and be at the mercy of thugs, gangstas, MS-13, Crips, Bloods, La Raza, Asian cartels, terrorists, and whatever meth-head twitch wants to go for what you have. You're in a flat spin. Last chance to pull out, or ejection will be the only option left.
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« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2007, 02:32:24 PM »

Where did you move to?
Texas.

Despite disagreeing with many things a majority of the residents here believe, I find them to be nicer and more tolerant than your average californian.  (i.e. Texans are more tolerant of liberals than californians are of conservatives.)
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« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2007, 03:17:34 PM »

"Semi-automatic" being the critical phrase. I predict a sharp increase in the purchases of revolvers. Ruger and S&W will make a killing. Meanwhile, I have 3 years to stock up. Of course, the criminal element will just smuggle unmodified guns, or file off the microstamper parts. So, there will be no practical difference other than the harassment of law-abiding gunowners. But that was the point, wasn't it?

I used to respect Arnold much more before. It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions.
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« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2007, 03:30:05 PM »

"It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions."

You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.

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« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2007, 03:36:33 PM »

"It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions."

You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.

That is what he is assuming.
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« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2007, 03:36:59 PM »

Yeah, well all you smug primadonnas in the so-called 'free states' will squeal like little piggies when this law becomes the model for the federal legislation you'll get under a Democrat President and Congress come 2009.

Unless y'all want to try to secede again.

And we all know how that went the first time.  Y'all lost, remember



So, suck it up, Texans.  Hillary's on her way. and she will limit your 'free state' gun rights.  laugh
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2007, 04:04:31 PM »

Actually, my state's constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, even openly, in a way that goes far beyond the second amendment. For Hillary to do something, she'd have to declare that my state's constitution was null and void, trampling states' rights. That'd likely go right to the SCOTUS, which is thankfully more conservative right now, and they'd hand her back her socialist aspirations all bent and broken.

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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2007, 04:09:01 PM »

Umm, Bubba Clinton's '94 AW Ban was repealed in most of the Free States, save for a certain one on the Left Coast, Riley.

You may want to look into that before declaring Kalifornia as the role model for anti-gun legislation. Wink

Me, I find it's hilarious when folks do that, or say that other folks have no right to denigrate the policies of that enclave of liberal lunacy.  Having been a long-time resident there and happy to depart just in time with my big collection of Kalifornia DOJ (Why do they exist, anyway?) SB-23 banned firearms, the place can't Richter into the Pacific soon enough. 
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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2007, 04:20:03 PM »

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Actually, my state's constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, even openly, in a way that goes far beyond the second amendment. For Hillary to do something, she'd have to declare that my state's constitution was null and void, trampling states' rights. That'd likely go right to the SCOTUS, which is thankfully more conservative right now, and they'd hand her back her socialist aspirations all bent and broken.

Good luck with that. The People of the State of California passed both Prop 187 and approved the use of medical marijuana.  The Federal government overrode and squashed both of those.  So much for the will of the people.

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Umm, Bubba Clinton's '94 AW Ban was repealed in most of the Free States, save for a certain one on the Left Coast, Riley.

Uh-huh.  And while the law was in effect your state (hell, all the states) were subject to its provisions, right, Mr. Gewehr?  You're lucky a Republican congress had the balls to let it expire.  You might not be so lucky next time.  So much for 'free state' rights.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2007, 04:25:30 PM »

When San-Franciscan liberals are at the helm of fedgov, states rights are respected only when properly "aligned". This running away business is nothing to be smug about.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2007, 04:28:02 PM »

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Actually, my state's constitution guarantees the right to bear arms, even openly, in a way that goes far beyond the second amendment. For Hillary to do something, she'd have to declare that my state's constitution was null and void, trampling states' rights. That'd likely go right to the SCOTUS, which is thankfully more conservative right now, and they'd hand her back her socialist aspirations all bent and broken.

Good luck with that. The People of the State of California passed both Prop 187 and approved the use of medical marijuana.  The Federal government overrode and squashed both of those.  So much for the will of the people.

Um. You do know that there's a significant difference between a Proposition, versus a State Constitution and Bill of Rights ratified in 1783? 

There's also no comparison. The Proposition would seem to have been in violation of standing federal law.
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« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2007, 04:39:22 PM »

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There's also no comparison. The Proposition would seem to have been in violation of standing federal law.

And so you think Federal firearms law cannot be changed in a manner that would place most 'free states' constitutions in violation thereof?

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  You haven't seen Hillary, Nancy and Harry collaborate yet.  You won't have long to wait, though. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 13, 2007, 04:51:00 PM »

What a shame.  I hope someone undoes it in the future,  but I wouldn't bet on it.
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« Reply #17 on: October 13, 2007, 05:29:58 PM »

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Reading this news made me glad, yet again, that I got out in 2005 for a free state.

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Hopefully now, all gun makers will say, "You know, CA as a market isn't worth our time and money to do this to our guns...we won't recoup profit on it. Seeya!"

Too bad for the citizens of CA, but maybe they'll be inspired to a backlash that much quicker.

And when the gun makers start churning out semis with the compliant parts, do you think the banners in YOUR state won't try to pass it there too?  Not everyone is Ronnie Barrett. 

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"It seems to me he has sold out in exchange for presidential ambitions."

You're assuming that there's enough public support for Arnold that the Constitution would be amended just to let him run. You're also assuming that the NRA, GOA, SAF and other pro-gun groups wouldn't mobilize the troops to guarantee his defeat.

And you're assuming that, in running for higher office, he'll run as a Republican.  If he thought it'd help that SOB would switch parties in a second.  And since he's just burned the GOP bridge I'll put money on it.

So here is a new suggestion:  Call Smith & Wesson.  They supply sidearms for the State Police.  Tell them you will be boycotting them if they continue to do so.  Call Colt too, and let them know you'll do the same to them if they step in.  Glock supplies a lot of local police and Sheriff departments.  Explain it to them.  Time for the private sector to step up.
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« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2007, 06:01:21 PM »

Smith and Wesson is based in MA and plays nice with the socialists there to keep themselves on the OK list, and keep competitors off it and out of the state. What makes you think they'll behave differently for CA?
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« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2007, 06:08:42 PM »

The law will be applied to all manufacturers that want to sell in California. If anyone should worry about uneven field, it would be guys like Glock and HK, because they don't make revolvers. Ruger and S&W will laugh all the way to the bank. Especially Ruger, since their semi-auto fraction is very small (the P-series) by comparison with all the money S&W make on their semi-autos.
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« Reply #20 on: October 14, 2007, 05:20:09 AM »

I wonder, if somebody reloads, will the 'microstamp' survive between reloads?  IE joe criminal buys a bunch of reloaded ammunition for his stolen gun(1).  When the cops gather the fired ammunition, they find that they all have at least two different stamps on them.

Then there's the whole file&polish method.  Of course, they'll just claim that it's working - they just haven't gotten enough pre-stamp guns out of the population yet, even two decades after the law's enforcement.  Or they're coming from neighboring states(such as mexico).

1:  good luck tracking the gun down now, with enough ties to the one who actually used it, even if you know which gun it came from, because it was stolen sometime last year.
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« Reply #21 on: October 14, 2007, 05:39:18 AM »

Sounds like I need to set up my reloading business on the Kalifornia/Nevada border.   I'll make sure to stock plenty of clean brass for all the reloaders in the PRK with pre-microstamp firearms. As a side business, I'm sure I can sell microstamped brass for folks to randomly dump at crime scenes.  That'll keep the Kalifornia DOJ busy. grin

Ahnold cannot become president, even if he wanted to.  Monkeyleg's correct - the U.S. Constitution would have to be amended to allow foreign-born citizens to run for that office.  Doesn't matter if he's (R), (D), (I), or Bull Moose affiliated. 

Gawd, I'm glad I left that cesspool of a state.
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« Reply #22 on: October 14, 2007, 06:26:23 AM »

What's the fallout on this from a shooter's perspective? Prices go up?

I guess I don't understand how this will be felt by the shooters themselves, it seems more like another CA PITA for makers.
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« Reply #23 on: October 14, 2007, 06:39:55 AM »

What's the fallout on this from a shooter's perspective? Prices go up?

I guess I don't understand how this will be felt by the shooters themselves, it seems more like another CA PITA for makers.

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What impact? You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.

Secondly, CA will suffer the same sort of "machinegun price effect" that MA is currently experiencing on used guns. New guns not on the "OK list" can't be sold anymore, so old models that were in the state previous to the law command a premium price. It's not uncommon for people to literally pay twice bluebook rates for an old, used, shot-out Glock (they have to be at least pre-1998) because there aren't anymore. The supply of those is dwindling due to attrition, wear and hoarding of the last few pristine examples. The same will happen with any gun from a maker that refuses to make special models for CA, and I suspect that will be most makers, since it's not profitable for them to make all those changes to their tooling for one highly restricted region of sales. Would you?

And finally, it's only a short hop to further restrictions. After all, they can't have those old C&R guns like 1911s, lacking stamps, coming into the state anymore, can they? I'd expect bans on C&R semiautos next.
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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2007, 12:56:18 PM »

Sorry you had a bad experience here, Gewehr. But there's no love lost, really.  The fewer immigrants here the better.  As a native Californian (since 1946), I can tell you this place was paradise before the strange folk arrived, bringing their strange ideas.  Still, I wouldn't live anywhere else,even if you gave me a home there.

As far as the 'microstamping' fiasco, I don't understand all the whining and crying.  After all, California is such a worthless and evil place that y'all can't wait for the next megaquake to destroy us.  So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?
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