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Author Topic: AB 1471 - Microstamping, signed. A pox on the governator.  (Read 12057 times)
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« Reply #25 on: October 14, 2007, 01:06:43 PM »

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So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?

Because it never ceases to amaze those of us in the Free States as to what stupidity pops out of there next.  I have family out there, and if I could afford to get them out of that particular slice of hell, ala' indulgences, I would.

I do miss the Mexican food, though.   grin

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« Reply #26 on: October 14, 2007, 01:59:03 PM »

Good natured response, Gewehr.  And I'll reciprocate by saying I agree that 'microstamping' is foolishness.  Arnold knows it too.  And he also knows, like the rest of us, that CA gun laws are impotent.  If you lived here, you know that.  The state pretends to regulate us, and we pretend to be regulated.  That's the way it works here.  It placates the gun grabbing socialists, poor bastards, who don't know any better.

In the meantime, come with me to the range some day.  You got it in the 'free states'?  We got it here.  LE (at least in the predominantly red counties) could care less.   The limpdicked urban areas are so heavily populated they can outvote us. 

Meanwhile, we do what we want.
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« Reply #27 on: October 14, 2007, 02:56:03 PM »

In the meantime, come with me to the range some day.  You got it in the 'free states'?  We got it here.

Well...no, not really. I can walk into a gun store and pay cash for a mag long enough to serve as a monopod, or a drum that could double as a spare tire. Last I checked, you weren't able to do that.

I was just about to order a CZ-82 with two 12-round mags for $199. The "CA version" with a single reduced capacity mag is $269 from the same source, due to the logistics of obtaining a special mag. $70 just for being in CA.

You also couldn't have my Taurus Judge there, because the state considers it a sawed-off shotgun despite the rifling. Only state that won't allow it, I believe.

Oh, yeah, and you also can't have a Yugo SKS 59/66, because it's got the old grenade launcher tip on it. Same with other milsurps like the MAS 49/56 and other examples. Apparently, there's lots of rifle grenadings of convenience stores or the like there?

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« Reply #28 on: October 14, 2007, 02:58:11 PM »

Actually we can have the Yugo SKS.  Importers saw off the grenade launcher and fit a muzzle break instead.  I have one in the closet.
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« Reply #29 on: October 14, 2007, 03:00:27 PM »

Actually we can have the Yugo SKS.  Importers saw off the grenade launcher and fit a muzzle break instead.  I have one in the closet.

But you can't have it as-is. You incur an additional expense for being in California.
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« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2007, 03:01:59 PM »

Oh I wasn't defending my state, just providing accurate information.  I am pretty damn regulated. 
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« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2007, 04:08:28 PM »

You're hilarious, Manedwolf.   laugh  Everything costs more here, so what?   And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great!  We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!!  And what's more, (local) LE could care less. And I'll tell ya why.  We actually pay LE a great wage and superb benefits.  What a concept! As a result, we don't have the graft and corruption y'all have in the 'free states', and what's more, LE is the same as us!

Now, there are some exceptions, in the big cities, but for us here in the red counties that's the way it is. 

BTW, I own two SKS's.  A Yugo and a Chinese.  My buddy owns 5 or so, including some Russians.  Another buddy has some AK's with da switch.

So, unless you've lived here recently, you don't know squat.
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« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2007, 04:54:17 PM »

One more reason--as if I needed one--to get out of California, probably next year.  I admit I had some faith that Schwarzenegger would veto the crazyass thing.  That he didn't tells me that things are worse than even I thought they were.

Will this affect gun rights nationally?  I think it will, because it is part of a much greater political and cultural movement and agenda that will rock this nation to its foundations within a few years.  Everything we know and have known will be up for grabs.  We'd better gird our loins for that.  All I know is I prefer to spend the rest of my years outside the politically "radioactive" zone.  California is morphing into something like Venzuela, and it won't be that long before the leftist nomenklatura in Sacramento uses MS-13 as their brownshirts.
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« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2007, 05:01:21 PM »

One more reason--as if I needed one--to get out of California, probably next year.  I admit I had some faith that Schwarzenegger would veto the crazyass thing.  That he didn't tells me that things are worse than even I thought they were.

Will this affect gun rights nationally?  I think it will, because it is part of a much greater political and cultural movement and agenda that will rock this nation to its foundations within a few years.  Everything we know and have known will be up for grabs.  We'd better gird our loins for that.  All I know is I prefer to spend the rest of my years outside the politically "radioactive" zone.  California is morphing into something like Venzuela, and it won't be that long before the leftist nomenklatura in Sacramento uses MS-13 as their brownshirts.

Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can.  Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.
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« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2007, 05:30:41 PM »

You're hilarious, Manedwolf.   laugh  Everything costs more here, so what?   And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great!  We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!!  And what's more, (local) LE could care less. And I'll tell ya why.  We actually pay LE a great wage and superb benefits.  What a concept! As a result, we don't have the graft and corruption y'all have in the 'free states', and what's more, LE is the same as us!

Now, there are some exceptions, in the big cities, but for us here in the red counties that's the way it is. 

BTW, I own two SKS's.  A Yugo and a Chinese.  My buddy owns 5 or so, including some Russians.  Another buddy has some AK's with da switch.

So, unless you've lived here recently, you don't know squat.

It's so amusing when they rationalize, isn't it?

If someone has spent too much time in a cave, they forget what sunlight is.

And nice that you "already have" magazines but can't buy them. When they wear out? Oops!
Hm. I think I'll stop in the local gun store tomorrow at lunch and grab some hi-caps, LEO-marked, just because, you know what?
I CAN!  grin
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« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2007, 10:05:15 PM »

  And you can walk into your local gunshop and buy whatever? So, great!  We don't have to buy 'em........we already got 'em!! 

So, everybody in Cali that wants one of those guns listed by Manedwolf already has one?  Wow, that is a great state! 
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« Reply #36 on: October 15, 2007, 02:03:51 AM »

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Hm. I think I'll stop in the local gun store tomorrow at lunch and grab some hi-caps, LEO-marked, just because, you know what?
I CAN!  grin

Out of all the blissninny, handwringing, pantywetting California antigun laws, the 10rd mag limit annoys me the most.  angry
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« Reply #37 on: October 15, 2007, 11:40:14 PM »

. . . You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.
I'd rather apply a little fine sandpaper or a Dremel tool with a felt wheel and Simichrome . . . no worries.
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« Reply #38 on: October 16, 2007, 02:10:28 AM »

. . . You'd have to police ALL your brass at any range, or Mistah Gangsta could scoop up your brass and toss it out the window of a drive-by, while they have a brasscatcher on their own gun. Then you get the no-knock raid.
I'd rather apply a little fine sandpaper or a Dremel tool with a felt wheel and Simichrome . . . no worries.
Problem with that method is that it is easily detectable by any lab with a decent microscope.

A better method would be to just load up a dummy round with a spent primer in a casing and dry fire a couple of hundred times. That should wear out any raised metal on the firing pin. A few hundred actual rounds fired should mess up the raised micro-stamp in the chamber and on the bolt face.
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« Reply #39 on: October 16, 2007, 04:03:37 AM »

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Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can.  Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.

Please.  I'm an ally, and I've tried to do what I can to make my voice heard in California.  I contacted Schwarzenegger before he made his move. 

I will do what I can but the political climate in California isn't auspicious.  As I write the "Marxican" liberation front in Sacramento is gleefully anticipating the growth of Kalifornia from its current population to 49 million by 2030--no doubt most of that growth will come from "trans-border" migration (legalized by then as part of The Great Welcoming of 2010).  I guess those that live here will all be drinking imported water from Al Gore's private stash (yes, water is the new gold).  The demographic momentum, carefully orchestrated by various politicos both north and south of the current membrane (aka border), will ensure that whatever Viceroy is in power by then has total control over the plantation.
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« Reply #40 on: October 16, 2007, 04:47:22 AM »

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Great, longeyes, run 'n hide, if you think you can.  Not everybody has what it takes to be on the front lines.

Please.  I'm an ally, and I've tried to do what I can to make my voice heard in California.  I contacted Schwarzenegger before he made his move. 

I will do what I can but the political climate in California isn't auspicious.

I know you are, and I apologize for the harsh comment.  It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.

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As I write the "Marxican" liberation front in Sacramento is gleefully anticipating the growth of Kalifornia from its current population to 49 million by 2030--no doubt most of that growth will come from "trans-border" migration (legalized by then as part of The Great Welcoming of 2010).

California will hardly be the only state affected by illegal immigration growth.  They're already in every state in the union, and it will only get worse-for everybody.
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« Reply #41 on: October 16, 2007, 05:16:29 AM »

I guess those that live here will all be drinking imported water from Al Gore's private stash (yes, water is the new gold).

Or you'll be importing (buying) high-quality Mexican water of the same quality enjoyed by the masses in Mexico City and Tijuana!
Montezuma's Revenge, indeed...

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« Reply #42 on: October 16, 2007, 06:09:47 AM »

As far as the 'microstamping' fiasco, I don't understand all the whining and crying.  After all, California is such a worthless and evil place that y'all can't wait for the next megaquake to destroy us.  So what difference does it make to y'all what we do here?

Because as much as I may rib on Kalifornia, I oppose it because measures like this are wrong everywhere.  I even sent a letter to Ahnold protesting this nonsense when it first reared its ugly head.  I know the opinion of some Texan doesn't hold any sway in Kommieforny, but I didn't know what else I could do.  I figured making noise is free, at least.

I'm guilty of telling people to just move away as anyone, but by God you shouldn't have to.

The other problem is that it gives the forces of evil a safe haven, a refuge or base of strength if you will, and that affects us all because CA is such a big state.  Lotta congressional votes.

FYI Texas is a damn sight better than most but we still have some draconic RKBA restrictions here.
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« Reply #43 on: October 16, 2007, 06:10:58 AM »

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FYI Texas is a damn sight better than most but we still have some draconic RKBA restrictions here.

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Aside from the regs governing CHL, Texas is refreshingly free from gun-related regs.  In terms of simple ownership, Texas has no regs other than those imposed at the federal level.

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« Reply #44 on: October 16, 2007, 07:36:13 AM »

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It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.

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« Reply #45 on: October 16, 2007, 07:40:37 AM »

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It's just that I get so damn tired of the gratuitous automatonlike California bashing around here.

Agreed.

California, due to its size and voter block, has a significant effect on the culture of What Will Be in the rest of the US. Styles and trends come from LA, and politics start there too, including the most noxious of the liberal/socialist groups. They breed in Berkeley and then leak out into the rest of the country like a stain.

So, due to that "leading edge of pop culture" status, you're damned right the rest of us tend to bash California when we see negative trends getting bigger and bigger there. We know we're standing down the tracks from the out-of-control train!

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« Reply #46 on: October 16, 2007, 07:53:12 AM »

And the incessant bitching about it in these and other forums achieves what, precisely?  It's one thing to discuss rationally.  Quite another to parrot and bash.

How about some support for those fighting from the inside?
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« Reply #47 on: October 16, 2007, 07:57:55 AM »

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How about some support for those fighting from the inside?

How about an offer to help you move somewhere else? Cheesy

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« Reply #48 on: October 16, 2007, 08:05:36 AM »

Outstanding.

Heres what you can do. 

1.   Pay for the attorneys fees to transfer my mothers Conservatorship to another jurisdiction.
2.   Pay for her ambulance transport to another state.  She is a stroke patient, quadriplegic, unable to talk and on supplemental oxygen.
3.   Find us a home where she will be as comfortable and happy as her own place in Southern California where she lived for 25 years.

Im sure I can think of a few other things& 
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« Reply #49 on: October 16, 2007, 08:16:36 AM »

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Outstanding.

Here’s what you can do. 

1.   Pay for the attorney’s fees to transfer my mother’s Conservatorship to another jurisdiction.
2.   Pay for her ambulance transport to another state.  She is a stroke patient, quadriplegic, unable to talk and on supplemental oxygen.
3.   Find us a home where she will be as comfortable and happy as her own place in Southern California where she lived for 25 years.

I’m sure I can think of a few other things… 

How about reinstalling your sense of humor.  Yours seems to have a glitch.

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