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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #25 on: October 27, 2007, 09:13:00 PM »
My Dad went through the Depression too Riley, and he was a good man too. We're speaking in generalities here. I never said everyone from that time was X, and all of their kids were Y. I've only said that a lot of them were.

What's your point? Are you saying Baby Boomers, as a whole, aren't the way I've described them? Are you saying the pot smoking hippy pricks who spit on vets from Vietnam and burned their draft cards were as good as their parents?

I think you'd better wise up, lest you lose what has been given to you.

I enlisted in the Corps and did my time fighting overseas. I feel I've got a good start on maintaining the liberty I've been handed. But you're right, I should really lose my job and sit around all day drinking heavily and bitching on forums. That'll make the world a better place.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2007, 09:30:38 PM »
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Non-responsive, unless it is your assertation that the New Deal inevitably led to the rise of leftist scum since 1950s. I don't see why that would be, so please explain.

Todays leftist scum ( and they are on the wan) are so marginalized as not to be a factor.  Yesterday's Abbie Hoffmans are no more.  It seems to me you young people are so focused on Communism (whiich is long since dead, even in Communist China), that you are not aware of the new threat, which is Global Corporatism.  You really do need to come up to speed,  Please pull your collective heads out of your Blackberry/Ipods  whatever ass and realize what has been handed to you, gratis.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #27 on: October 27, 2007, 09:34:08 PM »
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I enlisted in the Corps and did my time fighting overseas. I feel I've got a good start on maintaining the liberty I've been handed. But you're right, I should really lose my job and sit around all day drinking heavily and bitching on forums. That'll make the world a better place.

Yeah, well thanks a lot.  Who did you fight, who did you defeat, who did you free, and how does that benefit America?

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #28 on: October 27, 2007, 09:34:17 PM »
Ever hear of the Fabian society Riley? Commies adopted that strategy. They may not be Communists as such anymore, but their goal of a unitized socialist world .gov is alive and well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Society
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #29 on: October 27, 2007, 09:36:58 PM »
Edited for angry and thoughtless comments.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #30 on: October 27, 2007, 09:46:17 PM »
It seems to me you young people are so focused on Communism (whiich is long since dead, even in Communist China), that you are not aware of the new threat, which is Global Corporatism.  You really do need to come up to speed,  Please pull your collective heads out of your Blackberry/Ipods  whatever ass and realize what has been handed to you, gratis.

What exactly is global corporatism in your definition?

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2007, 09:47:18 PM »
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #32 on: October 27, 2007, 09:55:20 PM »
Yeah, that was stupid. Think before you post and all. If I really needed to say that I shoulda PMed.

Sorry for derailing this with personal stuff everyone. I apologize.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #33 on: October 28, 2007, 05:42:20 AM »
fistful and CAnoneer, I'm trying to connect, really.  I remember the 50's, 60's, etc.  What the hell are you guys talking about?


Riley, you know all that stuff you don't like about our country right now?  Corporate Globalism, or whatever you call it?  Who is responsible for that?  What age groups?  You have to agree it is largely the Greatest Generation (WWII vets like George H.W. Bush, Bob Dole and Timothy Leary) as well as the people they raised (Boomers like Bill Clinton, G.W. Bush, and yourself).  Young people, like Cannoneer and I, are just now reaching point where we could start to affect the political process.  We can't be held responsible for everything that is going on. 


Of course, these trends started prior to the twentieth century, but you old folks have carried through these projects into our present day. 
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #34 on: October 28, 2007, 06:08:00 AM »
by extreme weapons, I believe he was referring to death rays.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #35 on: October 28, 2007, 10:26:13 AM »
I picked up Romney's fact sheet at the gun show the other day.  The only examples he had with him reducing gun control was to make getting a target pistol license easier and clearing up the legal status of muzzle loaders.

Golly, I'm sold!

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #36 on: October 29, 2007, 04:04:30 AM »
I heard Romney say "I believe in the Second Amendment and a ban on assault weapons." (Maybe not his exact words, but pretty doggoned close.)

Sort of like saying "I believe in racial equality and separate drinking fountains for darkies."   angry

As for The Greatest Generation . . . they defeated Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, and Fascist Italy (Yay!) but they also gave away Eastern Europe to the USSR and China to Mao . . . they also saddled us with Korea, Vietnam, and Lyndon B. Johnson's "Great Society;" cumulative spending on the latter is eerily close to the present value of the national debt.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #37 on: October 29, 2007, 09:59:47 AM »
I picked up Romney's fact sheet at the gun show the other day.  The only examples he had with him reducing gun control was to make getting a target pistol license easier and clearing up the legal status of muzzle loaders.

Golly, I'm sold!

Yeah, as governor, he made sure that MA citizens were able to shoot with the latest firearms circa 1776, things that were state of the art during the original battles at Concord and Lexington, but signed the 1998 AWB that banned just about everything else.

Some record.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #38 on: October 29, 2007, 04:12:24 PM »
Romney is the 'pubbie version of Kerry; let's just say his favorite footwear is made by Birkenstock.
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2007, 06:03:02 AM »
Communism and socialism in various forms have been around in America a long time. They started edging their way in under the bad Roosevelt, but only took off under the baby boomers.

I think what fistful et al are saying is that while the "greatest generation" did well in terms of defeating the Nazis, they did a piss poor job raising their kids. Those born in the post-WWII baby boom are the most narcissistic, entitled, traitorous little pricks to ever disgrace this country. They were given freedom by their parents, sure. What they weren't given was a sense of duty and responsibility.

That is one helluva statement, Balog, and I believe it's sincere (although I don't know your age).  I am 61.  I grew up in the 1950's and '60's.  Mom stayed home; Dad was self-employed.  Worked his ass off as a roofing contractor in the San Fernando Valley, LA, CA.  Dad immigrated from Nova Scotia, Canada about 1926 when he was nine years old.  Mom was from Monmouth IL, born 1923.   Have you ever heard of the Great Depression?  Or the Dust Bowl days?  If not, please look them up.

They went through ten years of poverty and soup lines and no money (can you even envision that?) before WWII.  Dad was in the CCC's (Civilian Conservation Corps) who built roads, etc.   Mom was a telephone operator.

It's interesting now, how you ideologues, talking from prosperity and abundance, condemn FDR's New Deal.  You've never gone without, never worried about your next meal, always lived in abundance.  Yet you're quite willing to condemn those who provided that to you.

I think you'd better wise up, lest you lose what has been given to you.


FDR's "New" (raw) Deal didn't stop the Depression - in fact, it prolonged it and made it worse.  What it * DID * do was allow the traitorous jerk to pay off political supporters with Federal dollars - all while he imported Socialism into our country, had a cabinet run through with Communist spies and fellow travelors, started ythe world's biggest (and quite unconstitutional) Ponzi scheme, Social "Security"  (which will rob me of hundreds of thousands of dollars - hope all the rich retirees in their Winibagos enjoy my money....), and cram us into a war we didn't have to be in - (see: McCollem memo....).
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2007, 07:55:47 AM »
I wish Republicans would realize that Romeny is what the Republican party officially believes these days.  It's all you conservatives who are no longer Republicans.  Your party betrayed you, just like they betrayed me.  And that's why I'm not an (R) anymore.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2007, 08:09:39 AM »
I am still waiting to hear what "global corporatism" is and why it is worse and a bigger threat than the creeping socialist statism.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2007, 09:09:01 AM »
"Global corporatism" is the takeover of the U.S. government by multinational corporations.  It is accomplished with the use of lobbyists who spend enormous amounts of money persuading legislators to regulate in the multinational's favor. This is at the expense of the American citizens who elected 'representatives' to represent their interests.

There is a revolving door between public officials, elected public servants, and lobbyists.  Many lobbyists are former members of Congress. Former White House staffers and other public officials became lobbyists after their good and faithful service to their constituents. It's an inherently corrupt system.

In many cases, the legislation favoring the corporations is written by the lobbyists and corps themselves.

As a result, the U.S. has become a consumption economy stimulated only by record federal budget deficits and (formerly) a housing 'boom'.  At the same time, we've got skyrocketing energy and health care costs, higher interest rates, lower real wages, job insecurity and a disappearing middle class.

Some of the most damaging results of this historic ripoff will be seen in the so-called 'free trade' policies.  We don't make anything anymore.  We import nearly everything and have a total trade debt of some $5 trillion.  Our dependence on foreign oil is only exceeded by our dependence on products manufactured in other countries.

We're in debt.  We're borrowing billions$ everyday to pay for all this imported stuff, AND, we'ver got a national debt of $10 trillion (and growing).   'Free trade' is a big lie.  American industry can't compete with the cheapest labor in the world- workers making less than than $1 hour. 

Th original sales pitch was that since we're a technology bases economy, we didn't have to worry about the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs.  We should leave those to overseas workers and concentrate on our 'huge' technology lead.  But that (somehow) hasn't worked out.  We are not a world leader in the export of manufactured anything. Not automobile, not computers, nor electronics, no nada, except agricultural products, and that's about to change, too.  So we'll soon be dependent on the rest of the world for everything, including food.

The U.S. Congress and every president in the last 30 years have sold us out.  That's essentially what 'global corporatism' is about. 

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2007, 01:52:08 PM »
The U.S. Congress and every president in the last 30 years have sold us out.  That's essentially what 'global corporatism' is about. 

The last thirty years?  There's your Greatest Generation at work.  Glad we agree. 
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2007, 01:59:02 PM »
Riley, while what you say is true in terms of basic facts, I disagree with your interpretation of them.

A large percentage of the voters in this country have decided that:
1) the gov is supposed to take care of them beyond national security, law enforcement, and infrastructure
2) the gov is supposed to take care of natural disasters
3) the gov is supposed to take care of foreign countries
4) the gov is supposed to maintain a world military

The above are the political reasons for what you observe economically, not the other way around. Get rid of entitlements and freebies, shrink the military from a global to a national force, stop thinking we owe something to other countries, and all of the above problems will disappear.

The root of most of our problems is political, not economic. The international companies can and will subsidize politicians that push policies which can be beneficial to companies; to do otherwise would be irresponsible before the shareholders. But they are not the evil ones. The evil is the political and spiritual rot of the fellow-citizen turned socialist parasyte that votes himself benefits at others' expense.

And that is the connection to the pre-balog section of this discussion. The great generation lost a cultural war and allowed the baby-boomers to slide towards statism and socialism as a culture. All we see now is the inevitable the negative dividend that was only postponed by the internet and computer boom of the 1990s.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2007, 03:02:20 PM »
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shrink the military from a global to a national force,


Brilliant idea, Mr. Clinton.  Or is that Mr. Rumsfeld? 
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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2007, 03:37:31 PM »
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shrink the military from a global to a national force,
Brilliant idea, Mr. Clinton.  Or is that Mr. Rumsfeld? 

Less sarcasm, more substance.

Dealing with terrorists is the job of CIA, not the DoD. Having about 500 (yeah, five hundred) bases in foreign countries is the job of a maniacal imperial power, not a free nation-state. Providing security for foreign countries that compete with us economically is the job of a world policeman / benefactor, not a nation-state. Don't place grandiose missions on the military then bitch that they are underfunded. Of course they are, for the ridiculous tasks given to them. Shrink the tasks and the expense will shrink as well.

But how do we deal with dictators then? You help assassinate or depose them. That's CIA's job again. Much less expensive than invading every toilet in the world and then spending years in "nation building".

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2007, 04:38:05 PM »
No way Romney is getting the nomination.
They'll probably give it to Rudy for his " I was mayor of NY during 9/11" shtick. Either way, it's not gonna be good for the Second Amendment.

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Re: Anyone still convinced that Mitt Romney isn't a RINO?
« Reply #48 on: October 31, 2007, 12:33:27 AM »
Too many so called "republicans" run too many disclaimers when it comes to their "support" of the 2nd Amendment and the right to self defense.

Here's a decisive RINO virus test; simply ask your candidate if he will kill the NAU stone dead if he/she gains office. If they say anything other than a clear yes, they are just another show wrestler wearing a different costume. If they genuinely do not know what you are talking about referring to the North American Union, forget them anyway.

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