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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #125 on: December 02, 2007, 11:48:52 AM »
Imagine the hue and cry if GWB tried to make the same consititutional "changes" that Chavez is pushing.

I think the left would be out in the streets with torches, pitchforks and GUNS.

Nah, they'd just post angrily on blogs.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #126 on: December 02, 2007, 07:51:00 PM »
Chavez loses vote on new powers in Venezuela

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez lost a tight vote on Sunday in a referendum on giving him new powers and scrapping term limits on his left-wing rule.


The national electoral authority said early on Monday the "No" camp won 51 percent of the vote compared to the pro-Chavez "Yes" camp's 49 percent.

It said the trend could not be reserved and declared Chavez the loser.

The referendum vote on a raft of reforms would have allowed Chavez to run for reelection indefinitely, control Venezuela's foreign currency reserves, appoint loyalists over regional elected officials and censor the media if he declares an emergency.

Chavez has said he wants to rule for life and turn Venezuela into a socialist state. But defeat will likely put the Cuba ally under intense pressure to slow or halt his self-declared socialist revolution and step down when his term ends in 2013.

Chavez called the referendum vote "a photo finish."

(Additional reporting by Fabian Andres Cambero, Patricia Rondon and Jorge Silva, Writing by Saul Hudson; Editing by Kieran Murray)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071203/ts_nm/venezuela_referendum_dc_23


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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #127 on: December 02, 2007, 08:00:34 PM »
What he does next will be instructive...
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #128 on: December 02, 2007, 11:57:25 PM »
Chavez will probably blame the defeat of his reforms on meddling by the US.  Venezuelan oil cut off on Monday, anyone?
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #129 on: December 03, 2007, 07:59:45 AM »
So far, he's accepted the vote and said "This is a democracy, so I respect the vote." 

I guess the facts will settle the debate better than lots of posting.  Seems to have worked so far.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #130 on: December 03, 2007, 08:25:27 AM »
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And he suggested he hasnt given up on his vision of permanently leaving his mark. Echoing words he spoke when as an army officer he was captured leading a failed 1992 coup, he said: For now, we couldnt.

Somehow I doubt we have heard the last about his "reforms".  See the whole story that supplies the quote at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22066948/
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #131 on: December 03, 2007, 08:53:28 AM »
He's about to burn down the Riechstagg.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #132 on: December 03, 2007, 06:38:23 PM »
I was pleasantly surprised to see this development.  Perhaps the citizenry has finally gotten a collective clue.

All the same, I doubt this'll change the final outcome.  Chavez still has 6 more years before those term limits matter.  Somehow I don't expect him to accept an early (in his mind) retirement. 

He barely lost the vote this time.  I'm sure he'll try again.  And this is the sort of election he only has win once...

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #133 on: December 07, 2007, 12:00:52 AM »


He barely lost the vote this time.  I'm sure he'll try again.  And this is the sort of election he only has win once...

Wait, why would he only have to win it once?  The amendments he wanted don't end elections-so what about this referendum would mean "he only has to win once"?
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #134 on: December 07, 2007, 05:12:22 AM »


He barely lost the vote this time.  I'm sure he'll try again.  And this is the sort of election he only has win once...

Wait, why would he only have to win it once?  The amendments he wanted don't end elections-so what about this referendum would mean "he only has to win once"?
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Kind of like the "tax increase/bond issue for <some_purpose>" initiatives.  Supporters can present votes on it as many times as they like and only need to win once to get what they want.  A similar state exists with illegal alien amnesty.  They can lose innumerable times, but if they succeed only once, it is done & pretty much irreversible.

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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #135 on: December 07, 2007, 06:36:20 AM »
Rich Venezuelans pick Panama over Chavez

 PANAMA CITY (Reuters) - Wealthy Venezuelans are emigrating to Panama in increasing numbers, snapping up luxury homes as they fear their leftist President Hugo Chavez will hold onto power for life and rebuild the country in the image of Communist Cuba.


With a shining new skyline, Panama is starting to rival Miami as a center for Venezuelan expatriates, who are attracted by the Central American country's booming economy and a lively Caribbean culture like their own.

The exodus is compounded by U.S. foe Chavez pushing constitutional changes that would scrap presidential term limits and limit press freedom during political crises.

Some worry that Chavez, who is a tight ally of Cuban President Fidel Castro and promises a socialist revolution, will one day copy Cuba's one-party system that sharply restricts personal freedoms.

"I love Venezuela. I feel happy to have been born in a country that has everything, but there is one important thing called liberty," said Maria Alejandra Chacon, who used to work as a journalist in Venezuela.

Panamanian government statistics show a surge in Venezuelans entering the country, and one Venezuelan expatriate group estimated about 15,000 of them have settled in Panama over the last year.

VENEZUELAN DIASPORA

After arriving in Panama City, Chacon and her husband, an architect, headed to the Cafe Le Brioche, a Venezuelan bakery in the trendy Cangrejo district that has become a meeting spot for the Venezuelan diaspora.

There, newbies hit up seasoned expatriates for tips on where to live and shop as they munch on cachitos, the meat-filled pastries that are Venezuela's national snack.

Restaurateur Freddy Marquez, 32, had thought about opening a new eatery in Miami, but he said Panama City had a more familiar vibe.

"It is just like a Venezuelan city. In Miami the people are a little colder," he said.

Soon, Marquez will open a modish French bistro that will serve dishes like duck breast on sauteed couscous in one of Panama City's ritziest shopping districts.

He said he was also attracted by Panama's business environment, with little red tape for setting up a company.

Chavez, who calls U.S. President George W. Bush the devil, is overwhelming popular in Venezuela for spending the country's huge oil wealth on the poor majority.

But well-heeled Venezuelans are put off by his socialist vision, and want out of a country battered by rising crime rates, periodic food shortages and a persistently depreciating currency.

One of Chacon's friends was recently shot dead.

According to Panama's migration authorities, some 10,000 more Venezuelans came to Panama in the first eight months of this year than during the whole of last year. Many come on tourist cards but end up putting down roots.

Roberto Arias, one of Cafe Le Brioche's owners and a former Venezuelan government official, said a new arrival from Venezuela used to come into the cafe every month.

"Now it is a stampede," he said.

Separated by a two-hour flight across the southern Caribbean, Panama and Venezuela have close cultural and historical ties.

Both were part of Greater Colombia -- the republic founded in the 19th century by Simon Bolivar, who led the South American fight for independence from Spain.

For Panama, the influx of wealthy Venezuelans has helped fuel a real estate boom that has been a big factor in the economy's growth rate this year of more than 9 percent.

Real estate salesman Jorge Blaisdell is selling 500 houses on the outskirts of Panama City that will go for between $300,000 and $800,, and have been advertised extensively in Venezuela.

"Some 80 percent of our clients are foreigners, and 75 percent are Venezuelan," Blaisdell said. "They are looking for a plan B."

(Editing by Jason Lange and Vicki Allen)
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #136 on: December 10, 2007, 09:16:08 PM »
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #137 on: December 11, 2007, 07:09:46 PM »
All the same:

It will be so cool to watch the Dutch military (yes that's right the Dutch) give them a good ole whomping.
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Re: More worrying comments from Chavez
« Reply #138 on: December 11, 2007, 07:29:11 PM »
Hey Doc, how believable would you find a story about George Bush rigging the 2004 election, written by Seymour Hersh, based on reporting from Mother Jones, citing an unnamed "intelligence source"?
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