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another illegal in the us
« on: November 23, 2007, 05:24:07 PM »
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  Illegal Immigrant Rescues Boy in Desert
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A 9-year-old boy looking for help after his mother crashed their van in the southern Arizona desert was rescued by a man entering the U.S. illegally, who stayed with him until help arrived the next day, an official said.

The 45-year-old woman, who eventually died while awaiting help, had been driving on a U.S. Forest Service road in a remote area just north of the Mexican border when she lost control of her van on a curve on Thanksgiving, Santa Cruz County Sheriff Tony Estrada said.

The van vaulted into a canyon and landed 300 feet from the road, he said. The woman, from Rimrock, north of Phoenix, survived the impact but was pinned inside, Estrada said.

Her son, unhurt but disoriented, crawled out to get help and was found about two hours later by Jesus Manuel Cordova, 26, of Magdalena de Kino in the northern Mexican state of Sonora. Unable to pull the mother out, he comforted the boy while they waited for help.


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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2007, 05:44:03 PM »
So one illegal does something good, thousands commit crimes every year.

That's supposed to prove something?

A bunch of illegals just had a machete fight on a public street in New England. And last year, an illegal working with a carnival attacked and raped a woman walking in a park in Keene, Nh, where things like that pretty much never happened. How many singular good acts does it take to offset all the harm that willing lawbreakers do every day?

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2007, 05:56:33 PM »
I'm glad this individual did the right thing.

I'd also say he probably deserves some special consideration on getting legal status for his help.

Still doesn't change my mind about sending the lot of the illegals back to Mexico, though.

And I say this as a Liberal.  I stil don't understand how most Liberals can be on the other side of this issue, as it has obvious considerations for unions and labor, for instance...
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2007, 06:00:56 PM »
One "awshit" destroys 1000 "attaboys"........
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2007, 08:14:45 PM »
Very nice story.

This one illegal alien gets special consideration.

I still say build a wall and kill any invaders.

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2007, 11:54:48 PM »
he was just rescuing the kids regular Americans are to lazy to angel grin
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2007, 03:19:19 AM »
poor kid  both parents gone in a few months

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2007, 06:41:33 AM »
Yep, Mr. Cordova did the right thing, no doubt about it.

But he still violated the immigration laws of the US.  And the US border is still porous.  Mr Cordova could have just dropped-off a load of nuclear weapons.  Or worse... Liberty Dollars that will bring destruction of the US currency system.

Islamic sex dolls.  Do they blow themselves up?

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2007, 06:37:27 AM »
And would we be any more impressed if Cordova had been a registered sex offender?.....

How about a wanted bank robber?.....

Criminal is criminal....
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2007, 04:06:03 AM »
Very nice story.

This one illegal alien gets special consideration.

I still say build a wall and kill any invaders.

Special consideration for what?


If you rob a bank, but then stop to help a little old lady cross the street, YOU ARE STILL A CRIMINAL.  This man may have done the right thing, but he's still a criminal. 
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2007, 04:57:27 AM »
Send him back with instructions on how to apply to come here legally.  Expedite his request.

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2007, 08:32:02 AM »
Send him back with instructions on how to apply to come here legally.  Expedite his request.

Step 1:  Fix our messed up system for legal immigration.
Step 2:  Mine the borders.

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2007, 04:08:44 AM »
Holy crap, I seem to agree with cassandrasdaddy on something!

If a person wants to come to the US as a peaceable person and earn an honest, productive living for themselves and/or their family, I'd love to have him or her as a next-door neighbor.

If a person wants to come to the US to win back "Atzlan" or to lead a life as a thug, I won't be shedding a tear if they happen to die of lead poisoning, the same as any thug.

Building a wall to keep others out can very well be used to keep US IN!
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2007, 07:35:12 AM »
i like the idea of helping expedite his legal return. morally and as an example to others

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2007, 11:16:22 AM »
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...

If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.

I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals.  What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2007, 11:20:18 AM »
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...

If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.

I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals.  What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.

Oh, please. Not THAT tired canard again.

How about if we go back to the immigration policy of when that plaque was put up, then? When ALL the immigrants were quarantined at Ellis Island and subject to rigorous medical exams before being allowed to set foot on the mainland, and anyone with a disease was summarily sent back to their point of origin with complete loss of what they paid to legally come? How about that, huh?

Jesus christ...  rolleyes

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2007, 12:39:14 PM »
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...

If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.

I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals.  What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor, your diseased, your criminals, your MS-13..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2007, 01:04:55 PM »
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...

If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.

I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals.  What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.

Oh, please. Not THAT tired canard again.

How about if we go back to the immigration policy of when that plaque was put up, then? When ALL the immigrants were quarantined at Ellis Island and subject to rigorous medical exams before being allowed to set foot on the mainland, and anyone with a disease was summarily sent back to their point of origin with complete loss of what they paid to legally come? How about that, huh?


Jesus christ...  rolleyes


did we really have a single port for all immigrants?  no one came in fr4om canada? the west coast?

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #18 on: December 08, 2007, 06:41:45 PM »
I have a Brazilian friend. She has at least one four-year college degree, comes from a wealthy family, has no criminal record, speaks at least three languages, has been employed constantly AFAIK (translator, public relations, business manager), and is even currently working and living in the USA (on some sort of work visa).

She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.

What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?

The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.
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« Reply #19 on: December 09, 2007, 02:59:17 AM »
I have a Brazilian friend. She has at least one four-year college degree, comes from a wealthy family, has no criminal record, speaks at least three languages, has been employed constantly AFAIK (translator, public relations, business manager), and is even currently working and living in the USA (on some sort of work visa).

She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.

What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?

The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.

So is the Justice system, but we don't excuse Phedophiles just because they are hard working and have families.
The second they cross the border they break the law.  Then, to work, they break other laws.  Driving without insurance and licenses.  Stealing identities.  Then they move into neighborhoods and turn them into Tijuana north by breaking zoning laws.  4 families, or 10 workers move into an apartment.  Then, thier children band together in poor neighborhoods and join gangs.  Like MS13.  Then they clog up emergency rooms and free clinics, get welfare (with the stolen identiy), etc etc.
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What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem.  We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders. 
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« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2007, 04:29:37 AM »

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What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem.  We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders. 

AW, geez! Now ya done it. Here comes the "But who will pick our lettuce?" argument. grin
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2007, 04:42:16 AM »

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What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?
That person is not my problem.  We have plenty of poor hardworking (or would be hardworking) American citizens within our own borders. 

AW, geez! Now ya done it. Here comes the "But who will pick our lettuce?" argument. grin

How about welfare mothers?  Or homeless people?  Or prison inmates?
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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2007, 05:39:25 AM »
So we should kick out all the illegal immigrants? eh...

If you dont speak Navajo, got to go.

I love how so many people wrap themselves up in the ideals of America and then say the exact opposite of those ideals.  What happened to "Give us your tired, your hungry, your poor..."
We should make it easier to legally immigrate to this country.
Those words were written by a socialist who also wrote odes to the greatness of Henry George and William Morris. 

That is not someone who either embodied the values that made America great or is someone who needs emulating today.  We already have enough limousine leftists and have no need to resurrect the 19th century equivalent.



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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2007, 08:11:54 AM »
I have a Brazilian friend. She has at least one four-year college degree, comes from a wealthy family, has no criminal record, speaks at least three languages, has been employed constantly AFAIK (translator, public relations, business manager), and is even currently working and living in the USA (on some sort of work visa).

She can't meet the requirements to legally emigrate to the USA.

What chance does a poor, but hard-working Mexican (or other nationality) dirt farmer have?

The US' immigration policy is mostly crap.

If you want to cover EVERYBODY in the world with a chance to come to the US, run a lottery, but control the number of winners per year. Then EVERYBODY has a chance, albeit a small one. But that's the problem, isn't it? How small is big enough? There will always be many people that decide that chance is not good enough, and they will try to break our laws and come here illegally. That is why we need enforcement.

As far as the "open borders" folks go, I strongly encourage them to visit our major metropolitan areas and live in each one for a month or two. It is very easy to believe that this country can absorb an arbitrary amount of immigration when you live in the countryside. Once you go through traffic jams when you try to go ANYWHERE, suddenly things like overpopulation, urbanization, and suburban sprawl get into focus.

As far as qualified applicants go, such as highly trained professionals and the wealthy, I have always supported immigration for them, because they truly make our country stronger, disproportionately so to their numbers, and because being educated and polyglotic makes them easiest to integrate in society. We should continue the braindrain from the rest of the world as one of the policies that would help us remain the greatest nation in the world. Hence, although I am pretty much aligned with NumbersUSA on most issues, I never ever supported or sent faxes in support of the plain stupid attacks on H visas. H visas is not the problem; illegal waves of the poor of the world are.

Btw, cassandrasdaddy, you seem to have a chip on your shoulder about illegals and Hispanics. May we know what your angle is?

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Re: another illegal in the us
« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2007, 09:13:51 AM »
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So is the Justice system, but we don't excuse Phedophiles just because they are hard working and have families.
The second they cross the border they break the law.

RrrRRRAAAWWWRR!! (Uh oh, now you've done it!) What is the purpose of "law"? When a law no longer serves the purpose of "law", what good it is? Be careful - if you fall into the trap of assuming that power is justification enough for "law", then every successful mugger in the land is automatically a "law"-maker.
If "law" is to be absolute and obeyed without question, then Rosa Parks should have just given up her damned seat. Those idiot farmers were totally at fault for themselves getting tried and executed for treason when they had the audacity to resist a 25% tax on whiskey (nevermind that little party in the Boston harbor over something around a 4% tax on another beverage)...

Next, note that I said nothing about justifying the actions of those that choose to break a law. The consequences for breaking the law and getting caught are on no one's head save the person who made the choice. Nonetheless, even our crap "Justice" system recognizes the circumstances and motivation for breaking a law, and can adjust punishment accordingly - shouldn't you also be able to manage that?
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