Post by: ...has left the building. on October 11, 2005, 01:50:49 PM
If you not a rap fan, please don't even bother to post.
Post by: The Rabbi on October 11, 2005, 02:43:36 PM
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 11, 2005, 03:38:28 PM
I think that's what the originator of the thread is asking.
Yeah, I'm the real slim shady cop killa...
Post by: Iain on October 11, 2005, 03:42:35 PM
Post by: Nathaniel Firethorn on October 11, 2005, 04:23:51 PM
- NF
Post by: The Rabbi on October 11, 2005, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: MaterDei on October 11, 2005, 04:43:27 PM
You owe me a new keyboard, Daniel.
I never knew you had such a sense of humor. Very nice.
Hahahahahahahahahah..........
Post by: Winston Smith on October 11, 2005, 04:55:45 PM
And besides, Shakespeare was the original rapper. He, or his characters at least, talked about just as much bawdy stuff as a "*let's not go there* this *let's not go there* that *let's not go there* what?" rap artist today.
Gorillaz? Massive Attack? Atmosphere? Hell, even Tupac once in a while. All music has it's time and it's place.
Post by: MaterDei on October 11, 2005, 04:57:41 PM
This thread is bringing all the comedians out of the closet.
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 11, 2005, 05:02:58 PM
Post by: Winston Smith on October 11, 2005, 05:03:02 PM
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 11, 2005, 05:04:48 PM
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 11, 2005, 05:12:27 PM
Quote
We May Look Different
But We See The Same Sky
We may see different
But we cry the same cry
To wake up daily,
And sleep better nights,
Thats what we all wish for to seek a better life, right?
It's unfortunate, when tragedys strike,
But the truth is reality bites,
June 4th 89, a day residents fear
Now known as The Massacre At Tiananmen Square
The day I turned seven they were mourning and grieving
Thousands of innocents die for what they believed in
Come with nothing but heart and a point to prove
Stood infront of tanks and refused to move
What Would You Do?
Run or stand still whens your lifes on the line
To test a mans will
Seeking change and they found but in death
Strangers yet they were my blood and flesh
This happened in China,
But you ain't gotta be asian to relate
To the struggle, pain and hard aches
Chorus:
You'll never know,
You'll never get it,
There is no choice,
We can't forget it
We look up
We see the same sky
We look up
We cry the very same cry
But We See The Same Sky
We may see different
But we cry the same cry
To wake up daily,
And sleep better nights,
Thats what we all wish for to seek a better life, right?
It's unfortunate, when tragedys strike,
But the truth is reality bites,
June 4th 89, a day residents fear
Now known as The Massacre At Tiananmen Square
The day I turned seven they were mourning and grieving
Thousands of innocents die for what they believed in
Come with nothing but heart and a point to prove
Stood infront of tanks and refused to move
What Would You Do?
Run or stand still whens your lifes on the line
To test a mans will
Seeking change and they found but in death
Strangers yet they were my blood and flesh
This happened in China,
But you ain't gotta be asian to relate
To the struggle, pain and hard aches
Chorus:
You'll never know,
You'll never get it,
There is no choice,
We can't forget it
We look up
We see the same sky
We look up
We cry the very same cry
Post by: brimic on October 11, 2005, 05:33:18 PM
Post by: Winston Smith on October 11, 2005, 05:33:27 PM
I sincereley dislike the part where he invokes the common humanity! That really shows how really shallow this genre is.
Edit: But what really gets me going is that it shows a generally high level of political awareness and acumen! Why doesn't someone do something? For the children!
Post by: roo_ster on October 11, 2005, 05:48:59 PM
90% of everything is crap
Some folks see Sturgeon's Law as somewhat negative.
I, OTOH, am the optimist & look on the brighter side. No matter how worthless, vile, talentless, or just plain banal some thing or some genre is, 10% may actually be something better than crap. It might rise to the level of, "mildly interesting" or even, "not something for which I would hunt down the perpetrator and beat with a 2x4 for stealing that 3 minutes, 45 second of my life."
So far, I must rely on my faith in Sturgeon's Law with regard to rap, as I have yet to hear anything that is not...crap.
Post by: garrettwc on October 11, 2005, 06:11:21 PM
I like Will Smith, some Black Eyed Peas, some other ones too that sadly I would have to ask my son their names. I know the music but couldn't tell you who does it. There's a rap song called "My Old Ky Home" that is popular around here. The radio station lists the artist as K.D. and the Villbillies. My son says it's some of the guys from Nappy Roots.
Post by: Agent P on October 11, 2005, 06:12:55 PM
), that "Tipsy" song by J-Kwon, Black Eyed Peas. I love Xavier Naidoo. His music is awesome, and he sings mostly in German so if the lyrics are awful or base I don't notice. 
Post by: Justin on October 11, 2005, 06:13:37 PM
Dilated Peoples (Thanks Dan!)
Gorillaz are alright
Eminem may be a turd, but the guy's a walking thesaurus.
Beastie Boys are, of course, classic.
DJ Krush has some hiphop influenced stuff, and let me just say that staccato rap delivered in Japanese is one of those things that shouldn't work, but does. (Specifically thinking of the track "Kanji" here.)
To be honest, lately I've been a big fan of the whole underground-underground Nerdcore scene.
MC Frontalot Optimus Rhyme and MC Chris are probably the best examples of Nerdcore.
When it comes to techno, electronica, and hiphop I'd like to propose what I call Justin's Corollary to Sturgeon's Law: 97% of everything is crap. But that last 3% is pretty fly.
Remember, the rap played on mainstream FM radio sucks just as much as the rock/country/western/whatever that gets played on all the other FM stations. This is a result of FM radio being an idiotic delivery system designed not so much to appeal to anyone as it is to dish out the same uncreative tripe in the hope that you won't change the station during a commercial break.
Post by: Winston Smith on October 11, 2005, 06:21:00 PM
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 11, 2005, 06:30:57 PM
Quote from: Justin
To be honest, lately I've been a big fan of the whole underground-underground Nerdcore scene.
MC Frontalot Optimus Rhyme and MC Chris are probably the best examples of Nerdcore.
Its funny that you say that because I've been exploring Asian rap lately...definitely underground-underground as well.
MC Frontalot Optimus Rhyme and MC Chris are probably the best examples of Nerdcore.
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on October 11, 2005, 08:28:23 PM
The closest I've EVER come to enjoying rap were things that might have even been done before some of you guys were born:
Sugar Hill Gang.
I still contend that the music of George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, and the Gap Band were the beginnings of rap.
It's kinda like Einstein and Kiera Knightley having a retarded baby. You expect great things from such a union, but instead, you get this drooling seizure of an offspring, that has to wear a helmet and ride around in a padded chair: Rap.
Hardcore Funk= like drinking peppermint schnapps with a Sierra Nevada Pale Ale chaser with a ski bunny named Ilse after a really nice December day on the slopes at Snowshoe.
Rap= like being the last one leaving the range as the sun is setting on a clouded over October evening as the days are getting shorter, and you get back to your truck, only to find that somebody's fat kid named Eugene spit his peppermint candy from Sonic onto your freshly waxed hood, so you try to wipe it off and it gets all over your hands instead. But since his dad is the president of the shooting club, AND your boss, you know you can't say anything about it, even though everyone just wants to pound the tar out of little Eugene.
Sorry...I got a little carried away.
Fig
Post by: K Frame on October 11, 2005, 08:45:26 PM
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on October 11, 2005, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: Mike Irwin
You have GOT to be kidding...
Post by: Fatcat on October 11, 2005, 10:58:08 PM
Quote from: Felonious Fig
Rap= like being the last one leaving the range as the sun is setting on a clouded over October evening as the days are getting shorter, and you get back to your truck, only to find that somebody's fat kid named Eugene spit his peppermint candy from Sonic onto your freshly waxed hood, so you try to wipe it off and it gets all over your hands instead. But since his dad is the president of the shooting club, AND your boss, you know you can't say anything about it, even though everyone just wants to pound the tar out of little Eugene.
Seriously though, I love Atmosphere, Sage Francis, Mos Def, Talib Kweli, Common, Canibus, Blackalicious and a whole bunch of other less-than-mainstream rappers. It's a damn shame that talented, intelligent rappers get relegated to "underground" status, while the guys who blabber about "big-booty b*tches" and huge rims get the fame.
Post by: Guest on October 11, 2005, 11:14:39 PM
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Mater-dei: Yeah...I guess setting words to a rhythm for poetic effect means something else when african americans are doing it.
I havent seen all that much rap produced by immigrants.Dig deep enough into any genre and you can find something "profound" (at least in a juvenile, but well intentioned way), that doesnt redem the whole thing as being some kind of intillectual pursuit. Besides, the best rap music has never been of the socially conscious variety, it is *supposed* to be fun. If you start having to dressing up in turtle necks and drinking sherry to "appreciate" it then you have completely missed the point. This will probably piss off half the board but rap is a *lot* like country music in that it is blue-collar in nature and as such is not meant to be over analysed but enjoyed on a more visceral level.
In essence, a song about how much one appreciates a prodigeious posterior is no less a valid form of expression than one that espouses the tragedy of their lost love/dog/truck.
Post by: LadySmith on October 11, 2005, 11:23:37 PM
Truth, FatCat
I don't have a favorite rapper although there are several recordings I enjoy. I listen to everything ABBA to Jay-Z (don't tell anyone about ABBA, though).
Post by: Guest on October 12, 2005, 12:08:08 AM
Post by: 280plus on October 12, 2005, 03:14:58 AM
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I am a firm believer in Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap
I LOVE THAT!! ( I might go as far as to push it to 95% myself)I appreciate all music and can appreciate a good stage performance regardless of the genre. That stuff takes hard work no matter what it is if you're going to do it well and I've learned to appreciate that over the years. I can usually spot the difference between crap and the good stuff and I am sure it exists in every form of expression there is. So sure, you give me some rap that is well done and supports a positive message and I'll probably like it. Would it be ok to turn the bass down a little though?
I like what OutKast has been doing. It's fresh. The only thing I listen to are the old 70's rock stations that overplay the same worn out crap we listened to 30 years ago and forever since and live stuff done locally by different guitar people that are around. Classical, jazz, Latin. It's all good when it's done by the right people. And bad when it's not.
I'll tell you what though, I wish I was collecting the royalties from"Stairway to Heaven" I just heard it again yesterday :barf: )
Post by: MaterDei on October 12, 2005, 05:05:26 AM
Quote from: Winston Smith
Mater-dei: Yeah...I guess setting words to a rhythm for poetic effect means something else when african americans are doing it.
So what you're trying to say is that rappers are poets? Fine, so how does that make Shakespeare the 'original' rapper? Was he the original poet? No. I've often heard people say what you said but it is to try and bring some respectablity to something that has none rather than because it is a fact.btw, your statement implies that only blacks rap.
Post by: Winston Smith on October 12, 2005, 05:18:39 AM
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bring some respectablity to something that has none
Just because you don't respect it doesn't mean it's not respectable.More later.
Post by: SalukiFan on October 12, 2005, 05:31:11 AM
Quote from: The Rabbi
Does Matisyahu count?
Matisyahu is awesome - I just saw him on Oct 1st - but I think he would count as reggae rather than rap. As far as rap goes, I don't listen to a lot of rap, but I do really like De La Soul...
Post by: Justin on October 12, 2005, 06:06:24 AM
If so, I heard an interview with him a couple months ago. Rather interesting guy.
Ah, here we go...
Matisyahu
Post by: K Frame on October 12, 2005, 06:14:28 AM
I think Will Smith is a fantastic actor. I know he had some hit rap records...
Post by: 280plus on October 12, 2005, 06:19:38 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on October 12, 2005, 06:32:54 AM
Quote
A Dollar A Rhyme But We Barely Get A Dime
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
Hickory Dickory Dock Hand In My Pocket
Robbed Me For My Chocolate
Mo Dollars Mo Cents For The Big Six
Another Million Led To Bled Claimin They Innocence
Is It Any Wonder Why Black Folks Goin Under
Cause Niggas Be Sold In Bundles
No Pressure Tell Me Why They Dont Care
Rap And R & B Pavin The Streets Of Belair
From The Sales Of Singers No Longer Here
The Bigger Killer Gets The Bigger Share
Now The Ones I Attack The Negros Got Their Back
And Know 80-20 Is A Whack Contract
Forever Lack The Voice Of Real Black
Stole Rock And Roll And Aint Gave It Back
Started Off My Defense
Now Theyre The Ones I Defend Against
Who Fell Up Into The Tricks
*expletive deleted*ck The Fight The Power *expletive deleted*it
Get That Chuck D Nigga Fixed
And Keep Him Up Outta The Mix
Well Hell Tell Em Chuck Dont Suck No Dick
Be An ass And The ass Get Kicked
Hand In My Pocket Robbed Me For My Chocolate
Watch Em Swindle Yo ass And Turn A Profit
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
They Dont Care About Me
They Dont Care About You
They Dont Care About You And Ya Crew
Ya Family Neighborhood And Plus
They Dont Give A Damn About Us
Profit Off The Soul Of Black Folk
Turn Em Into Bitchez And Niggas
And Stupid ass Jokes
Laugh Wit Us Or Laughin At Us
That Is What Im Guessin
We Interrupt This Program Wit That Question
Laughin All The Way To The Bank
Remember Dem Own The Banks
And Dem G-Damn Tanks
Now What Company Do I Thank
Aint This A Bitch Heard They Owned Slaves
And A Ship That Sank
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
This Is For The Blues People In The Delta
This Is For Everybody In The 50s That Didnt Get Their Money
Little Richard Gettin Half A Penny A Penny
All The Super Soul Singers Of The 60s
All The Bands Of The 70s On The Outside Lookin In
All The People That Didnt Make A Dime Off Their Session Playin
And Even The Rappers In The 80s And The 90s
Still Tryin To Get Paid For What They Put In
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
Hickory Dickory Dock Hand In My Pocket
Robbed Me For My Chocolate
Mo Dollars Mo Cents For The Big Six
Another Million Led To Bled Claimin They Innocence
Is It Any Wonder Why Black Folks Goin Under
Cause Niggas Be Sold In Bundles
No Pressure Tell Me Why They Dont Care
Rap And R & B Pavin The Streets Of Belair
From The Sales Of Singers No Longer Here
The Bigger Killer Gets The Bigger Share
Now The Ones I Attack The Negros Got Their Back
And Know 80-20 Is A Whack Contract
Forever Lack The Voice Of Real Black
Stole Rock And Roll And Aint Gave It Back
Started Off My Defense
Now Theyre The Ones I Defend Against
Who Fell Up Into The Tricks
*expletive deleted*ck The Fight The Power *expletive deleted*it
Get That Chuck D Nigga Fixed
And Keep Him Up Outta The Mix
Well Hell Tell Em Chuck Dont Suck No Dick
Be An ass And The ass Get Kicked
Hand In My Pocket Robbed Me For My Chocolate
Watch Em Swindle Yo ass And Turn A Profit
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
They Dont Care About Me
They Dont Care About You
They Dont Care About You And Ya Crew
Ya Family Neighborhood And Plus
They Dont Give A Damn About Us
Profit Off The Soul Of Black Folk
Turn Em Into Bitchez And Niggas
And Stupid ass Jokes
Laugh Wit Us Or Laughin At Us
That Is What Im Guessin
We Interrupt This Program Wit That Question
Laughin All The Way To The Bank
Remember Dem Own The Banks
And Dem G-Damn Tanks
Now What Company Do I Thank
Aint This A Bitch Heard They Owned Slaves
And A Ship That Sank
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
This Is For The Blues People In The Delta
This Is For Everybody In The 50s That Didnt Get Their Money
Little Richard Gettin Half A Penny A Penny
All The Super Soul Singers Of The 60s
All The Bands Of The 70s On The Outside Lookin In
All The People That Didnt Make A Dime Off Their Session Playin
And Even The Rappers In The 80s And The 90s
Still Tryin To Get Paid For What They Put In
If You Dont Own The Master
Then The Master Own You
Who Do You Trust From Swindlers Lust
From The Back Of The Bus
Neither One Of Us Control The Fate Of Our Soul
And Swindlers Lust
Post by: garrettwc on October 12, 2005, 07:51:11 AM
Quote
Does it count if I like the rap artist, but have never heard any of his music?
You may have heard them and not known it. Will Smith usually has a song in every movie he's in, and did the theme for the movie "Men in Black" and for his TV show "Fresh Prince".Rabbi, not sure if you are being sarcastic or not. If you take the expletives and the colorful language out of it, the lyrics aren't bad and contain a message worth considering. They are aimed specifically at blacks, but what they lament could apply to anyone of any race in the entertainment industry.
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on October 12, 2005, 09:25:33 AM
I took a few minutes to learn a little and sample the Matisyahu stuff.
Obvious Bob Marley, Phish and Grateful Dead influences, all applied to a dancehall reggae approach.
Really nice. If you like him, AND it actually comes close enough to count as "rap" for the purposes of this thread, then you'd like Shabba Ranks, and Mark Mohr (Christafari).
Mark is not a native Rasta/Jamaican, but has made it his life's work to delve deeply into ALL forms of Reggae (and there are several), and really kicks it in each of the Reggae sub-genres.
In addition to my affinity for '70's funk, I really like reggae as well.
Just not what is usually considered rap.
Post by: duck hunt on October 12, 2005, 09:52:18 AM
My three month old baby only stops crying in the car if I play rap, the bassier the better.
Naturally I have a real soft spot for Arabic rap....there's a fantastic Palestinian group I've been listening to for a couple of years who were in NYC last week:
http://www.dam3rap.com/
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 12, 2005, 10:01:43 AM
Post by: The Rabbi on October 12, 2005, 10:24:44 AM
If you could post a country song with that much obscenity, violence and hatred I'll get rid of my George Jones collection.
Post by: duck hunt on October 12, 2005, 10:36:08 AM
Post by: Paddy on October 12, 2005, 10:50:32 AM
I'm a white boy, not a whigger
I ain't black so don't talk me no smack
I grew up in a 'burb and still smoke some herb
Not in the 'hood, that ain't no good
Here's where it's at
I gots me a gat
I'll pop a cap so don't give me no crap
I ain't black, jack, so don't talk me no smack
fo'schizzle.
Post by: The Rabbi on October 12, 2005, 11:14:41 AM
Quote from: duck hunt
If I show you a heinous crime that was committed with a gun, can I have all your guns?
No, but show me one committed by a gun and we'll talk.
Post by: thebaldguy on October 12, 2005, 01:48:26 PM
I know quite a few younger women that listen to rap. If I was a woman, I'm not sure that I would spend my money on a song where the artist refers to me as a bitch or 'ho. I used to (and still I guess) listen to some metal; they just treated the women like sex objects. When you compare the way women are treated, I think rap songs treat women worse.
I would never censor any type of music. I thought arresting the guys in 2 Live Crew on obsenity charges was a riot. I have to admit I like the song "Me so Horny". I thought the arrest leading to the mass popularity of the song and CD was even funnier! I remember a member of 2 Live Crew thanking the Broward County Sheriff's Office for the publicity. They saved a ton in promoting their CD, and made the sheriff look like a boob.
Post by: Gewehr98 on October 12, 2005, 02:00:15 PM
Quote
Just because you don't respect it doesn't mean it's not respectable.
I respect Ron Jeremy. Not that his line of work is entirely respectable...
Post by: Sindawe on October 12, 2005, 02:04:59 PM
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"Shakespeare was the original rapper."
Yea, but it really looses its impact unless its spoken in the original Klingon. Quote
Not that his line of work is entirely respectable
More respectability there than is to be found in the work of 99.9% of politicians. At least Ol' Ron was making something some folks actually WANTED!
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 12, 2005, 04:15:23 PM
David Allan Coe, a relatively mainstream country act. Oh and you asked for it, so you're responsible:
Quote
She said someday I'd understand
What love was all about
She said I could have the kids
She was movin out
Said she'd finally found a man
Who's dick was so much bigger
Then that scumbag mother *expletive deleted*er
Ran off with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A greasy *let's not go there*
He treated her just like a queen
She gave him all my money
It looks like the joke's on me
But I don't think it's funny
That pussy ain't worth payin for
As far as I can figure
Cause there's nothing quite as worthless
As a white girl with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A God damn *let's not go there*
So for all you *let's not go there* lovin whores
This song is just for you
What love was all about
She said I could have the kids
She was movin out
Said she'd finally found a man
Who's dick was so much bigger
Then that scumbag mother *expletive deleted*er
Ran off with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A greasy *let's not go there*
He treated her just like a queen
She gave him all my money
It looks like the joke's on me
But I don't think it's funny
That pussy ain't worth payin for
As far as I can figure
Cause there's nothing quite as worthless
As a white girl with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A God damn *let's not go there*
So for all you *let's not go there* lovin whores
This song is just for you
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 12, 2005, 04:16:25 PM
Post by: MaterDei on October 12, 2005, 04:43:17 PM
Quote from: Daniel Flory
Rabbi-
David Allan Coe, a relatively mainstream country act. Oh and you asked for it, so you're responsible:
So Dan, is this Shakespeare? Winston?
David Allan Coe, a relatively mainstream country act. Oh and you asked for it, so you're responsible:
Quote
She said someday I'd understand
What love was all about
She said I could have the kids
She was movin out
Said she'd finally found a man
Who's dick was so much bigger
Then that scumbag mother *expletive deleted*er
Ran off with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A greasy *let's not go there*
He treated her just like a queen
She gave him all my money
It looks like the joke's on me
But I don't think it's funny
That pussy ain't worth payin for
As far as I can figure
Cause there's nothing quite as worthless
As a white girl with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A God damn *let's not go there*
So for all you *let's not go there* lovin whores
This song is just for you
What love was all about
She said I could have the kids
She was movin out
Said she'd finally found a man
Who's dick was so much bigger
Then that scumbag mother *expletive deleted*er
Ran off with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A greasy *let's not go there*
He treated her just like a queen
She gave him all my money
It looks like the joke's on me
But I don't think it's funny
That pussy ain't worth payin for
As far as I can figure
Cause there's nothing quite as worthless
As a white girl with a *let's not go there*
And to think I'd ate the pussy
Where that big, black dick had been
And kissed the lips that sucked him off
Time and time again
It's enough to make a man throw up
Sure is hard to figure
How any decent girl could ever *expletive deleted*ck
A God damn *let's not go there*
So for all you *let's not go there* lovin whores
This song is just for you
Post by: HForrest on October 12, 2005, 06:04:22 PM
Post by: Winston Smith on October 12, 2005, 06:04:44 PM
If you'd like, look into Atmosphere's stuff that involves the singer's ex "Lucy," especially the "Lucy Ford" album. It truly is a tale of loss and heartbreak, told through poetry and rhyme.
"Do I sound mad? Well I guess I'm a little pissed
Every action has a point, five points make a fist
You close em', you swing em', it's hurts when it hits
And the truth can be a bitch, but if the boot fits
I got an idea: You should get a tattoo that says warning
That's all, just a warning, so the potential victim can take a left
And save breath, and avoid you, sober and upset in the morning
I wanna scream, "*expletive deleted*ck you Lucy!"
But the problem is I love you Lucy
So instead I'm a finish my drink and have another
While you think about how you used to be my lover"
PS: Going into a thread for enthusiasts of a certain type of music and attacking it is just as vitriolic as some gangster rap. And just about as pointless, stupid, and above all, annoying. The title of the thread is not "Let's debate the merits of rap."
How about bringing something to the table aside from a closed mind?
Post by: caseydog on October 12, 2005, 06:11:08 PM
Quote from: Daniel Flory
David Allan Coe, a relatively mainstream country act. Oh and you asked for it, so you're responsible:
David Allan Coe is a halfast novelty act whos greatest claim to fame was "The Rodeo Song" , another novelty curse fest , he's never even smelled the mainstream.Quote from: 280plus
The only thing I listen to are the old 70's rock stations that overplay the same worn out crap we listened to 30 years ago and forever since and live stuff done locally by different guitar people that are around.
I was a 70's classics guy for a long time , then I got tired of the way the radio stations wore out the CD the same way they wore out the LP in the 70's , only play the big hits. The eagles had 25 or so good songs , they played the same 3 every day , same with Led Zep and many other good 70's bands, so a few years ago I went looking for something different. I tried some grunge and some rap and couldn't really get in to either mostly crap as stated , so I kept hunting around the dial and internet radio and heard a station playing stuff like Creed , Lifehouse, Train, Fuel ....Turns out there is good music being made these days for a 40something 70's throwback , also turns out it's not rap.
Ray
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 12, 2005, 06:21:00 PM
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PS: Going into a thread for enthusiasts of a certain type of music and attacking it is just as vitriolic as some gangster rap. And just about as pointless, stupid, and above all, annoying. The title of the thread is not "Let's debate the merits of rap."
How about bringing something to the table aside from a closed mind?
THANK YOU WINSTON!
How about bringing something to the table aside from a closed mind?
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 12, 2005, 06:22:19 PM
Quote from: caseydog
David Allan Coe is a halfast novelty act whos greatest claim to fame was "The Rodeo Song" , another novelty curse fest , he's never even smelled the mainstream.
Regardless of if you feel Coe is mainstream or not, he only asked for a country tune. Coe is country.
Post by: Justin on October 12, 2005, 09:17:57 PM
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 13, 2005, 03:05:54 AM
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 13, 2005, 03:07:02 AM
Quote from: Justin
Daniel Flory: "The Rabbi, I'd like you to meet my friend; PWNAGE. PWNAGE, The Rabbi."
He probably won't know what PWNAGE is, instead he'll probably just tell me I'm a jackass as always...
Post by: 280plus on October 13, 2005, 03:41:07 AM
"They stole the Rock and Roll and didn't give it back."
The record companies.
"If you don't own the Master, the Master owns you."
The master recordings. Not the Master you may be thinking of.
And he's absolutely right!
Open your minds a little. That IS good stuff. It's all in the interpretaion. Some people see what they want to see instead of what else might be there.
As for the Coe song. I'd play Rodeo in a bar if the owner was ok with it, but I'd never play the one posted here.
Why, I think I'll "sing" it now...
WEEEEELLLLLLL, it's forty below and I don't give a ...
Post by: Preacherman on October 13, 2005, 03:46:40 AM
Rap is basically an expression of the poverty-stricken, gang-ridden, criminally-oriented inner-city ghetto culture. I've actually studied it in some depth, simply because it's the universal "anthem" or "theme" of almost all the criminals I encounter in my line of work as a prison chaplain. They find it deeply meaningful as an expression of how they grew up, the circumstances of their lives "outside", and an expression of their desperation "inside". This does not strike me as being a particularly good recommendation for its musical merits...
I find rap almost impossible to listen to as I would listen to "music". To me, music is something to which I pay attention, trying to understand what the composer/songwriter is trying to convey, identifying the themes (both main and underlying), feeling the mood evoked by the music, etc. It should be obvious (given this approach) that I enjoy classical music. I also enjoy a number of modern rock "composers": Jethro Tull, the Moody Blues, Mike Oldfield - even some Led Zeppelin and some Metallica, who certainly repay careful listening to identify what they're trying to convey. However, all of these individuals and groups are trying to do something musical. Non-musical "rhythmic noise" doesn't interest me, and I can find no worthwhile reason for its existence.
Rap doesn't even begin to approach this level of listening. The tawdry lyrics, distorted voices, thumping beat, and all-around lack of musical quality make it completely unacceptable to me to even call it "music". It's not music at all, in the classical definition of this term. It has no theme, no structure, no development, that would qualify it for this designation.
I'm sorry if this offends those who listen to rap, but you're free to enjoy it, just as I'm free to loathe it.
Post by: 280plus on October 13, 2005, 04:38:21 AM
You could set you WATCH by what songs they play on some of these stations.
I see Preacherman's point, I can appreciate his altermate take on the subject. Too many people think that what the music people talk about is they way they should run their lives. Unfortunately I have to disagree with him on his definition of music though. Even if all your doing is banging on a big hollow log with another smaller log or a rock, rythmically or not, you're makin' music baby!!
LOL...
Post by: Justin on October 13, 2005, 06:54:33 AM
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He probably won't know what PWNAGE is, instead he'll probably just tell me I'm a jackass as always...
Truly a classic example of projection, to be sure. 
Post by: Silver Bullet on October 13, 2005, 07:25:27 AM
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The eagles had 25 or so good songs , they played the same 3 every day , same with Led Zep and many other good 70's bands"
Zep had a lot more than 25 good songs. You're right, though, the radio doesn't play enough of them, especially after the fifth album. The Rover, Ten Years Gone, Sick Again, and Achilles Last Stand are severely underplayed. And when's the last time you heard For Your Life on the radio ? I never have, except for the weekend long "Zep 'A' to 'Z'" type things.
Post by: Silver Bullet on October 13, 2005, 07:27:27 AM
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If you not a rap fan, please don't even bother to post.
uh-oh.Well, I'm not a rap fan, but it was no bother, really !
Post by: Felonious Monk/Fignozzle on October 13, 2005, 07:45:04 AM
Post by: Justin on October 13, 2005, 09:00:45 AM
Clicky (Wikipedia entry)
Post by: J.J. on October 14, 2005, 08:06:04 PM
I used to listen to mainly -
Paul Wall
Chamillionaire
Esg - Slim Thug..
Mike Jones&
(Houston Area rappers)
But they are all becoming big.. so I am having to find new people. Something gets lost once people become big...
South Coast Coalition (S.C.C.) Is good too. S.C.C. is mainly two white guys but they can lay a good beat. The Cds that they release usually have big people.
I.E. Lil Boosie T-Bo etc..
Lil Boosie is good too, but he is really becoming big also..
A Dallas area underground group is Woss Ness (pronounced Wasp Nest) Older albums of theirs are good I havent heard anything recent that I enjoy.
Lucky Luciano is a Hispanic rapper thats good. Well his first CD is anyway. I still havent had the chance to listen to his newest.
Thats all I can think of at the moment.
I am not trying to sound Racist I just can't think about a better way to describe the type or rap or person rapping...forgive me for not being P.C.
I know more comments of how can you listen to the stuff and etc. But I listen to anything from Classical To Blues to Old Rock... I have phases.. and Rap is current one.. I revert back to it often.
Post by: ...has left the building. on October 15, 2005, 04:37:30 AM
Post by: atek3 on October 15, 2005, 09:40:17 AM
Sir Mix-a-lot.
The Streets.
Digable Planets
For giggles I like "hate-whitie" anti-capitalist garbage like...darn, I can't remember the name, help me out here, rap afficianados.
They had a song about the need to arm brothers and form a militia?
anyone? anyone?
atek3
Post by: atek3 on October 15, 2005, 10:50:03 AM
http://www.snopes.com/politics/humor/raplyrics.asp
Post by: duck hunt on October 15, 2005, 11:59:37 AM
Edit: I think I was remembering X-Clan, actually. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X-Clan
Post by: atek3 on October 15, 2005, 02:40:44 PM
Post by: garyk/nm on October 15, 2005, 03:09:14 PM
Post by: Glock Glockler on October 15, 2005, 05:31:40 PM
Post by: HForrest on October 15, 2005, 10:28:40 PM
Quote from: caseydog
I was a 70's classics guy for a long time , then I got tired of the way the radio stations wore out the CD the same way they wore out the LP in the 70's , only play the big hits. The eagles had 25 or so good songs , they played the same 3 every day , same with Led Zep and many other good 70's bands, so a few years ago I went looking for something different.
You're totally right about overplayed "classic hits" for the most part. I'm lucky I've found a good radio station that prides itself on playing "deep-cut classics" and has a huge variety of 60's-80's music, but before I found it and was listening to other "CLASSIC ROCK" stations, the such limited song selection almost made me hate 70's hits.
Post by: Felonious Monk on May 21, 2013, 05:11:49 PM
The closest I get to any rap that I like would be George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic. Beyond that, maybe a little bit of Red Hot Chili Peppers (e.g. Californication, Give It Away, et al).
Post by: cordex on May 21, 2013, 05:27:07 PM
Probably not. :facepalm:Welcome back, FM.
The closest I get to any rap that I like would be George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic. Beyond that, maybe a little bit of Red Hot Chili Peppers (e.g. Californication, Give It Away, et al).
You raise an 8 year old thread from the dead to break a 4 year silence? :laugh:
I wonder what Dan Flory is up to these days.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 21, 2013, 06:50:33 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
I'm liking Aceyalone and RJD2's collaboration, lately.
Welcome back, FM.
You raise an 8 year old thread from the dead to break a 4 year silence? :laugh:
He's kickin' it old school.
Post by: freakazoid on May 21, 2013, 07:02:44 PM
Post by: Boomhauer on May 21, 2013, 08:02:53 PM
Post by: roo_ster on May 21, 2013, 08:13:47 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on May 21, 2013, 10:37:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MecFO-Y-L8s
beatnik-flavored raps:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM4kqL13jGM
Post by: brimic on May 21, 2013, 10:51:50 PM