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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: TechMan on February 11, 2014, 02:39:33 PM
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Dubai is look to reduce traffic, so they are considering a minimum salary requirement for car ownership. Said requirements would then encourage use of public transportation.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/11/dubai-considers-minimum-salary-requirement-for-car-ownership/?intcmp=HPBucket&intcmp=features (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/11/dubai-considers-minimum-salary-requirement-for-car-ownership/?intcmp=HPBucket&intcmp=features)
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It would also make it more difficult for their slaves to escape as well.
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Hell I'd support that here
*flamesuit*
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Hell I'd support that here
*flamesuit*
I'd be scared what the min salary would be here if they enacted it. Would it be household or individual?
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Hell I'd support that here
*flamesuit*
Yeah because low income people like me are so *expletive deleted*ing undeserving of a car...
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Tokyo you have to own parking to get car
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Tokyo you have to own parking to get car
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In Russia, car parks you. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlPwSNz7YNg)
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Yeah because low income people like me are so *expletive deleted* undeserving of a car...
The state of Nevada brought on a poor tax. If you own a car older than 2003, you have to pay extra registering it every year. On my 97 Dodge, it's about $42 extra and I still have to pay to smog it. This was to encourage people to buy new cars.
Who owns old cars (I am not talkign classics)? Poor people for the most part. This was a tax forced through by the democrats in this state. The Republican governor vetoed the bill and the dems over road it.
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When cars are outlawed, only outlaws will have cars.
The state of Nevada brought on a poor tax. If you own a car older than 2003, you have to pay extra registering it every year. On my 97 Dodge, it's about $42 extra and I still have to pay to smog it. This was to encourage people to buy new cars.
Who owns old cars (I am not talkign classics)? Poor people for the most part. This was a tax forced through by the democrats in this state. The Republican governor vetoed the bill and the dems over road it.
We have three of our outfits registered permanently in Montana.
And "farm truck" insurance on the 2 pickups.
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Yeah because low income people like me are so *expletive deleted* undeserving of a car...
Basically, yes.
Get your damned deathtrap off my roads, you peasant
And if you couldn't tell from my first post, it was sarcasm
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Basically, yes.
Get your damned deathtrap off my roads, you peasant
And if you couldn't tell from my first post, it was sarcasm
You need indicators man, indicators
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Yeah because low income people like me are so *expletive deleted* undeserving of a car...
You're not low income: you have a cellphone, guns, food, not on government assistance, etc.
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You need indicators man, indicators
the *flamesuit* was meant to be a playful *flamesuit*
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the *flamesuit* was meant to be a playful *flamesuit*
Aint nobody got time fo dat!
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The state of Nevada brought on a poor tax. If you own a car older than 2003, you have to pay extra registering it every year. On my 97 Dodge, it's about $42 extra and I still have to pay to smog it. This was to encourage people to buy new cars.
Who owns old cars (I am not talkign classics)? Poor people for the most part. This was a tax forced through by the democrats in this state. The Republican governor vetoed the bill and the dems over road it.
That's borderline 'broken windows' economic fallacy- though I've learned a long timevago that lefties don't typically understand economics very well.
I actually drive a 98 car as my daily driver and I'm very far from poor. I'd rather make 'payments' into my savings or 401K than to a bank or car stealership.
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That's borderline 'broken windows' economic fallacy- though I've learned a long timevago that lefties don't typically understand economics very well.
I actually drive a 98 car as my daily driver and I'm very far from poor. I'd rather make 'payments' into my savings or 401K than to a bank or car stealership.
Most financially wise people I have met will drive an older vehicle simply because it avoids a lifetime of being chained to a car payment in an effort to keep up with the Joneses and always have "a new car". Even those that buy a new vehicle off the lot will keep it for 10+ years vs trading it in every couple of years.
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Most financially wise people I have met will drive an older vehicle simply because it avoids a lifetime of being chained to a car payment in an effort to keep up with the Joneses and always have "a new car". Even those that buy a new vehicle off the lot will keep it for 10+ years vs trading it in every couple of years.
Much truth.
My truck is a 99, with 350k on the clock for that reason. I HATE vehicle payments.
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That's borderline 'broken windows' economic fallacy- though I've learned a long timevago that lefties don't typically understand economics very well.
I actually drive a 98 car as my daily driver and I'm very far from poor. I'd rather make 'payments' into my savings or 401K than to a bank or car stealership.
I did forget, one of their stated goals was to eliminate the smog producing old clunkers driving around.
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I did forget, one of their stated goals was to eliminate the smog producing old clunkers driving around.
of course..., I'd like to see them do an environmental impact study on producing a new car versus driving an older one 5 more years.
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of course..., I'd like to see them do an environmental impact study on producing a new car versus driving an older one 5 more years.
Probably why the extra cost is 'only' $42. Depending on the condition of the car and driving habits, break-even for an older car vs building a new one a bit earlier might come sooner than you think. Smog is only only one type of pollution, a car with otherwise borked emissions can put a lot of crud in the air.
I remember reading somewhere that in California the newest cars actually clean the air, while older cars can pollute as much as 1k+ newer ones.
As for Dubai, I figure they'll probably set it equal to the citizenship income level. They're one of those countries where 75%+ of the inhabitants are actually immigrants, not that they grant citizenship easily(or at all). They pay a divident of oil income to all citizens, though the royals get the lion's share.
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Probably why the extra cost is 'only' $42. Depending on the condition of the car and driving habits, break-even for an older car vs building a new one a bit earlier might come sooner than you think. Smog is only only one type of pollution, a car with otherwise borked emissions can put a lot of crud in the air.
I remember reading somewhere that in California the newest cars actually clean the air, while older cars can pollute as much as 1k+ newer ones
You actually believe that cars 'clean the air?'
And yes, an old V-8 ghetto cruiser that hasn't seen any maintenance since 1993 is going to pollute as much as 1000 Prius' (Prii?) anyone can cherry pick comparisons.
A lot of the estimates for pollution are heavily skewed as well- example: some car manufacturers claim to have 'zero landfill' manufacturing, which in reality means they hire an intermediary environmental waste disposal company to pick up their waste and put it in the landfill for them.
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You actually believe that cars 'clean the air?'
Reading comprehension - It was in the study I remember. Probably what happened is that some things like the CO and NOx compounds were properly catalyzed going through the updated emissions, resulting in exhaust that had lower amounts of that pollutant out the tailpipe than going in.
And yes, an old V-8 ghetto cruiser that hasn't seen any maintenance since 1993 is going to pollute as much as 1000 Prius' (Prii?) anyone can cherry pick comparisons.
It's no longer quite as cherry picking if you can say that the average new car is 1/1k as pollution as the average 1980 vehicle still on the street.
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It's no longer quite as cherry picking if you can say that the average new car is 1/1k as pollution as the average 1980 vehicle still on the street
What about the 2002 vehicles that are being penalized per Gowen's post?
I suspect there are a WHOLE LOT MORE of those on the road than 1980 ghetto cruisers.
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You actually believe that cars 'clean the air?'
if they're driving in LA I could believe it!
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I'd support tying car ownership to actual1 proof of driving competence.
1Not the current "take a non-effective test as a teenager and good for life" method we use today.
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I'd support tying car ownership to actual1 proof of driving competence.
Then the Dubians would disqualify themselves, and they can't have that...
Note: I've actually been in Dubai.
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They should also ban anyone over a certain income or net worth level from driving. They have to use a chauffeur.
Universal employment. Bam. That's taken care of. :rofl:
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Most financially wise people I have met will drive an older vehicle simply because it avoids a lifetime of being chained to a car payment in an effort to keep up with the Joneses and always have "a new car". Even those that buy a new vehicle off the lot will keep it for 10+ years vs trading it in every couple of years.
I've always bought my vehicles new, but I tend to keep them a while; since my first car in 1973, I've owned a 1984, a 1993, and am now driving a 2006, with no plans to replace it anytime soon. One financial adviser I spoke to said you should "drive your car into the ground;" meaning do regular service like oil changes and such, but don't buy another as long as what you're driving is still reliable.
I figure the day to start saving for your next car is the day you buy a new car; that way, by the time you're in the market for one again, you can pay cash. (Making car payments to yourself isn't as painful as making them to a dealer, bank, or finance company.)
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I bought two new pickups when I was young (and single) but have bought used vehicles ever since.
I usually try to find a low mileage "survivor" and/or buy cheap enough to afford to fix a bunch of stuff and still come out even. Mostly that has worked out really well.
Our newest vehicle is being the most trouble-some: little stuff like door handles breaking off, remote keys not working and standard door key causing the alarm to go off, computer not working right in cold weather, and generally being helpless on snow/ice/mud. OTOH, it gets great gas mileage =|
And the newer vehicles on the market have even more crap to cause problems. But it's getting harder and harder to find good used vehicles in the past few years (seemingly since the "cash for clunkers" fiasco).
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But it's getting harder and harder to find good used vehicles in the past few years (seemingly since the "cash for clunkers" fiasco).
Maybe people hung on to their cars longer or desired used cars in the Great Recession??
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Maybe people hung on to their cars longer or desired used cars in the Great Recession??
Maybe ... seems like all the 1970s and 1980s pickups for sale just vanished with a few exceptions - most of which are either basket cases or some weird custom thing for a ridiculous price.
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Maybe ... seems like all the 1970s and 1980s pickups for sale just vanished with a few exceptions - most of which are either basket cases or some weird custom thing for a ridiculous price.
That is because they are 30 and 40 years old, many just rusted away or had so many miles one them they were not worth anything other than the junk yard.
How many 1940's and 1950's vehicles did you see for sale in the 1990s?
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Maybe ... seems like all the 1970s and 1980s pickups for sale just vanished with a few exceptions - most of which are either basket cases or some weird custom thing for a ridiculous price.
Ordinary used trucks that old probably just got scrapped as they exceeded their useful economic life. Don't see many 70's or 80's cars around any more either, same reason.
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Ordinary used trucks that old probably just got scrapped as they exceeded their useful economic life. Don't see many 70's or 80's cars around any more either, same reason.
There is only so long a vehicle can last...particularly in the land of the salted roads.
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Ordinary used trucks that old probably just got scrapped as they exceeded their useful economic life. Don't see many 70's or 80's cars around any more either, same reason.
Before 2009 there were always a few in the classifieds.
Unfortunately I didn't grab one then.
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It would also make it more difficult for their slaves to escape as well.
In the ultimate of ironies, the Dubai airport has anti-trafficking billboards all over the place.
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In the ultimate of ironies, the Dubai airport has anti-trafficking billboards all over the place.
Ironic irony is ironic.
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Before 2009 there were always a few in the classifieds.
Unfortunately I didn't grab one then.
That was five years and 50-70k miles ago.
Its not like you see a whole lot K cars from the 1980's still running around. :)
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In the ultimate of ironies, the Dubai airport has anti-trafficking billboards all over the place.
1. They're really concerned about their public face
2. they want you to legally exploit the workers, not illegally.